Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
The fact that we have to have debate on and pass laws to ensure transgenders the same rights the rest of the population already has speaks volumes about society. It should just be a given.
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Transgender rights in your religion/philosophy
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Skwim
Veteran Member
Agreed; however, we do have folk like those at FOCUS on the FAMILY who see things quite differently, and say:
We affirm God’s design for the two sexes – male and female – and marriage between one man and one woman as the place God established for sexual love to occur.
We disagree with revisionist gay and transgender theologies as contradictory to foundational Christian doctrine and the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic.
The modern “transgender” movement is systematically working to dismantle the reality of two sexes – male and female – as the Bible and the world have always known this to be. If the transgender lobby succeeds, there will be striking consequences for individuals, marriage, family, children and society at large.
We affirm the Christian view that to be human is to be holistically united as body and spirit. Scripture teaches that even in heaven believers will have gloriously redeemed physical bodies. In contrast, transgender revisionists hold to the pagan view that the body is a container that the spirit is poured into. They erroneously conclude that either God has mistakenly put an opposite-sex spirit into the wrong body or that the body is not the real person – that only the spirit is real.
There has been a growing trend of parents raising their children without designating them male or female. A similar trend encourages parents of children who might not fit into typical social expressions of masculinity or femininity to raise them as the opposite sex. Instead, we encourage parents to lovingly help their children to embrace their bodily sexual reality. Christian parents can raise daughters who grow up to accept and enjoy their femininity, knowing deep down that being a girl is a good gift from God. Likewise, Christian families can raise sons to grow up to be healthy men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good gift from God.
We disagree with revisionist gay and transgender theologies as contradictory to foundational Christian doctrine and the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic.
The modern “transgender” movement is systematically working to dismantle the reality of two sexes – male and female – as the Bible and the world have always known this to be. If the transgender lobby succeeds, there will be striking consequences for individuals, marriage, family, children and society at large.
We affirm the Christian view that to be human is to be holistically united as body and spirit. Scripture teaches that even in heaven believers will have gloriously redeemed physical bodies. In contrast, transgender revisionists hold to the pagan view that the body is a container that the spirit is poured into. They erroneously conclude that either God has mistakenly put an opposite-sex spirit into the wrong body or that the body is not the real person – that only the spirit is real.
There has been a growing trend of parents raising their children without designating them male or female. A similar trend encourages parents of children who might not fit into typical social expressions of masculinity or femininity to raise them as the opposite sex. Instead, we encourage parents to lovingly help their children to embrace their bodily sexual reality. Christian parents can raise daughters who grow up to accept and enjoy their femininity, knowing deep down that being a girl is a good gift from God. Likewise, Christian families can raise sons to grow up to be healthy men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good gift from God.
Gotta wonder what, exactly, lies at the seat of their distress. Fear that their young'uns might become transgendered, or, god forbid, might marry one?
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It isn’t a “fact” that we need to. Perhaps you should recheck the definition of the word fact.
ajay0
Well-Known Member
In the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, all human beings,male, female or transgender, are seen as souls in bodies, and it is the quality of the consciousness as in higher or lower that is taken into consideration, rather than external identities or identifications.
Higher consciousness is characterized by present moment awareness, a virtuous disposition, love, compassion, empathy, truthfulness, honesty and character.
Lower consciousness is characterized by a vicious disposition as in lust, greed, anger, hatred, inordinate attachments,egoism and so on.
Higher consciousness is characterized by present moment awareness, a virtuous disposition, love, compassion, empathy, truthfulness, honesty and character.
Lower consciousness is characterized by a vicious disposition as in lust, greed, anger, hatred, inordinate attachments,egoism and so on.
j1i
Smiling is charity without giving money
Homosexuality is a disease in Islam that we must treat psychologically
The patient is undergoing a psychiatrist to be rehabilitated and we should look at him in mercy
In Islam, it is forbidden to insult the homosexuality patient's, and the highest levels of cooperation are offered towards him, besides providing psychological support.
It is a moral crime to accept his encouragement to perform the wrong activities (homosexuality).
The Qur'an mentions the story of the prophet Lot as he tries to persuade the homosexuality with a males that he even offered some to marry his daughters (A suggestion to solve the problem) and this is evidence that the doctor and the community must be kind and compassionate with them
After offering effective psychotherapy to them and after they refused because they were sexually drunk
God Almighty commanded that they punish Sodom and that is why we Muslims resort to punishing them with isolation in the event that the long illness does not respond
To protect others from the harm of falling into a serious disease no less than drug addiction
There are healthy people who are not inclined to homosexuality, but because governments allow these people to have homosexuality
The number of homosexuals increased dramatically and this spoiled the idea of having a genital organ for reproduction
Reproductive organs are designed for reproduction, and if this product is used for other things, you have broken the terms of an agreement to have reproductive organs
The testicular lease contract ends and the rest of the genitals and the court demands you to return the testicles to their owner
The patient is undergoing a psychiatrist to be rehabilitated and we should look at him in mercy
In Islam, it is forbidden to insult the homosexuality patient's, and the highest levels of cooperation are offered towards him, besides providing psychological support.
It is a moral crime to accept his encouragement to perform the wrong activities (homosexuality).
The Qur'an mentions the story of the prophet Lot as he tries to persuade the homosexuality with a males that he even offered some to marry his daughters (A suggestion to solve the problem) and this is evidence that the doctor and the community must be kind and compassionate with them
After offering effective psychotherapy to them and after they refused because they were sexually drunk
God Almighty commanded that they punish Sodom and that is why we Muslims resort to punishing them with isolation in the event that the long illness does not respond
To protect others from the harm of falling into a serious disease no less than drug addiction
There are healthy people who are not inclined to homosexuality, but because governments allow these people to have homosexuality
The number of homosexuals increased dramatically and this spoiled the idea of having a genital organ for reproduction
Reproductive organs are designed for reproduction, and if this product is used for other things, you have broken the terms of an agreement to have reproductive organs
The testicular lease contract ends and the rest of the genitals and the court demands you to return the testicles to their owner
Well, that's trivially easy.
A simple observation of just about any culture any of us live in will immediately turn up various social and cultural norms surrounding what sex and gender mean, as well as people who do not fit neatly within those norms. Those who do not fit within the social and cultural norms surrounding sex and gender are described with various terms including but not limited to transsexual or transgender. While it's true that social/cultural norms are constructs, they are very real things that have a very real impact on everyone living within those societies.
Without going too deep in the details, everything you said is subjective. Allow me to rephrase and clarify my post
Before I can put transgenders in the equation of religion a philosophy, first, you must prove that "transgenders" are even a real thing. Proving "transgenders" empirically with objective evidence. Prove a man can become a woman and vice versa. Also, why stop at men and women, why not trans species? trans age? yes, as brain damaged as those terms are, those are "real" things. I can ask more questions and add even more wrinkles that will only further complicate your answer but, i think you get where i am going with this.
Thanks
Just going to re-quote the last line of my previous response, because it encapsulates anything I would have had to say about this line of thinking:
Put another way, we can play mind games dismissing social/cultural norms as "not real" because they are subjective/constructs all we want but at the end of the day, we all still experience them and are bound by them as people. I do not find any value in debating whether or not these norms are "empirical" or "objective" when that is neither necessary nor relevant to how these norms impact our day to day lives and behaviors.
Well...we are also discussing barhrooms and facilities..
Which bathroom or locker room do you think I should use?
Locker rooms? None. Famous for spreading fungi. But, the joke is saying that there will be a trans-gender in there in the first place. Not likely. So, this is a problem for like 0.0001% of the population -- doesn't seem like something we bother to deal with collectively.
Bathrooms? Please use one... any... before you spring a leak... I've ducked into a ladies room if I had to go bad enough if it was the only one I could find. I came out and said, "couldn't wait"... No one said anything to me after that. People get it. Again, not as a big a deal as you think.
I'm not down with having to adapting society to the needs or wants of a severe minority -- there is a reason it's the case: Most people aren't interested. Societies are generally concerned with the needs of many in deference to the few and that's about the only use it functionally has.
In New Zealand we have an assessment by a psychiatrist (free) and then as assessment by an endocrinologist (free). If someone is going to undergo permanent changes through surgery as well as hormone treatments it seems irresponsible to have transitioning on demand without a thorough medical assessment first.
Which means I can't go to the swimming pool? I really love to swim ...how can I do?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
India has full rights to all LGBTQ, actually even a strong affirmative action, except for two things - Marriage and Military Service. Hinduism may have problems with marriage, I do not know how it would roll out (one of the states of India has permitted it - Haryana). In mythology, LGBTQ were generals of army (Shikhandi in Mahabharata).
Additionally, some states protect hijras, a traditional third gender population in South Asia, through housing programs, and offer welfare benefits, pension schemes, free surgeries in government hospitals, as well as other programs designed to assist them. - LGBT rights in India - Wikipedia
Current situation: LGBT rights in India - Wikipedia
Additionally, some states protect hijras, a traditional third gender population in South Asia, through housing programs, and offer welfare benefits, pension schemes, free surgeries in government hospitals, as well as other programs designed to assist them. - LGBT rights in India - Wikipedia
Current situation: LGBT rights in India - Wikipedia
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
The church does often hate us. I have more than enough personal experience with them to know that many Christians, especially fundamentalists and evangelicals, are no friends of ours and opposed to our rights and campaign against us to the point they end up targeting amd going after gender non-conforming cis people.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Intersexed people will sometimes have one set but look like the other.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I really doubt youd equally apply such a standard to men amd womem who are infertile by birth or accident. And, you wouldn't because without them telling you there is no way to know. You'd just see a man or woman and go about your business.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Perhaps then you should look up the facts of science and medicine.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Most places (many, at least) go by the WPATH standards of care so there is supervision, assessment, diagnosis, and a requirement of living full time as your identified sex for no less than one year, which must be accompanied by two letters of recommendation from psychologists qualifed amd trained in gender issues.
Since most locker rooms include bathroom stalls I can't imagine what your problem could possibly be, lol.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I've already provided it to you.
But that's not remotely true, and definitely not objective.
Gender
- either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
The physical and/or social condition of being male or female.
GENDER | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
GENDER | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated by social and cultural roles and behavior:the feminine gender.Compare sex(def 1).
a similar category of human beings that is outside the male/female binary classification and is based on the individual's personal awareness or identity.See also third gender.
Definition of gender | Dictionary.com
1. UNCOUNTABLE NOUN
Gender is the state of being male or female in relation to the social and cultural roles that are considered appropriate for men and women.
2. COUNTABLE NOUN
You can use gender to refer to one of a range of identities that includes female, male, a combination of both, and neither.
Gender definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Gender has basically always had a definition that made it distinct from sex as a social construct rather than a biological one, the only significant change that has ever occurred being that we no longer think of gender as necessarily directly linked with sex. Note that none of the above definitions actually define what would or should be considered "male" or "female", they simply relate that they are cultural expressions or groups.