Facts supporting your arguement please
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Democrate part is communist
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Facts supporting your arguement please
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
So taxes on business or land = communism, and taxes on economic transactions are not. And any government regulation of business that isn't specifically beneficial to that business = communism.
That's quite different than the definition of "communism" you gave in your OP. Is there a reason you've decided to move to a very different definition of "communism"?
So the Democratic Party is not calling for everyone to make the same wage.
So far we've established that the Democratic Party is not calling for government ownership of business, is not calling for the abolition of private enterprise, and is not calling for everyone to be paid the same wage.
Remind me again exactly how the Democratic Party is communist?
Jollybear
Hey
So, wouldnt the "nation" and "masses" be the same thing?
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Jollybear
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Correct.
I think youve misunderstood the OP.
You have to realize that communism is a "threat" and ANY kind of threat comes in sneaky and sinister ways.
Communism to take over america will have to do so under different names and using different words. They will also have to do it slowly through transitions.
"Ownership" is not a word they will want to use because it would come across as too THREATENING. So, they will regulate the hell out of you instead in the name of "helping" the common good.
They wont call it ownership, but they will still tax the business and land, basically showing via action that they own it.
Ever heard the expression action speaks louder then words?
Well, thats whats going on here.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
And exactly where did you get that definition of "communism"?
This is what you wrote in the OP...
Definition of communism
"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
But you've acknowledged that the Democratic party isn't calling for those things (gov't ownership of business, abolition of private enterprise, and equal pay for everyone). Now you're saying that taxes on businesses and/or land = communism.
From what I see, it seems your original argument has failed, but rather than adjust your position accordingly you've elected to try and redefine your way out of the problem (by redefining "communism" to mean "taxes on businesses or land").
Jollybear
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And in the OP did you see the definition of socialism?
"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
Very similar and i got it from here
https://www.google.com/search?clien.......1.........0i71.jC7RoNF8pgA#dobs=socialism
And in the link it even says its similar to communism.
Jollybear
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So is that why republicans have always supported LGBT rights, reproductive rights, and cannabis legalization?
Oh, wait...
So babies are not at liberty to life?
And LGBT they just dont pay attention to it because they DO have rights. The same rights as everyone ekse does.
As for canibis, im for legalizing that.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
And where is the Democratic Party calling for public, rather than private, ownership of business?
Oh wait...we've already been over that and you had to admit they weren't calling for that.
Thanks for your time.
Prometheus85
Active Member
no you gave a website detailing the democrats policies that u equate with socialism/communism which leads me to believe your knowledge on the two are extremely limited and you just repeat what here on right wing media
Jollybear
Hey
The democrate party is a socialist party.
Put two and two together and it equals what there calling for.
And actions speak louder then just the words "ownership"
But, let me ask you this. You say communism is a threat. Ok, HOW is it a threat? What ways does it threaten America or other countries?
And do you concede it can infiltrate government?
Jollybear
Hey
I didnt get it from right wing media, i got it from my own critical thinking skills. You know, that ability we all have, if we but exercise it. Try it sometime.
You havent refuted anything in my OP
I think you mean, "the more right wing you lean, the more liberty you promote for people just like you."
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I was sorely tempted to put a funny fruble on this since I bust a gut. No, fascism is what you seem to support. Profits for businesses regardless of the workers. There is a sweet spot somewhere between the extremes, but you go far more extreme right than anyone that I have seen here going the other way. Perhaps there is a frothing at the mouth communist somewhere on this forum, but I have yet to see one.
Wow! That's horrible!
Who on earth would want empathy? Or equality? Or compassion (I mean what's that for, anyway)? Or a dedication to putting people and our planet, the only home we can possibly have right now, ahead of profits?
At the very least, it couldn't hurt all that badly to at least make putting people and our planet at least EQUAL to profits, rather than putting profits first, and everything else taking a back seat.
Perhaps you just don't understand modern Christianity.
He explained it very well.
Tom
Prometheus85
Active Member
"The more right wing you lean the more liberty you promote"????
Looks like somebody needs to seriously pick up a history book.
the more right wing you lean the more your going to embrace the concept of the "inequality of outcome", meaning that one group is naturally better than another. The more right wing you lean you might also tend to embrace inequality of opportunity as well, favoring concepts such as segregation , or mass deportation of non-white people (or in general, people of other races), or sometimes even genocide.
And who are these so called communist that are just like fascists that you speak of?
Apples with bullet trains.
Because it is just SO OUT THERE.
Watch out for the moon. It just might hit your head, given how high you are flying.
Ahah.