Democrate part is communist

[Jollybear]

Democrate website Jobs and the Economy - Democrats

Communist party usa website What is the path to socialism for the USA?

Definition of communism

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

Definition of socialism

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Notice the staunch similarity? Practically identical.

Now some quotes from the democrate site

"Democrats believe that our economy should strengthen our country and work for every American"

"making sure corporations, the wealthy, and Wall Street pay their fair share."

"Democrats cut taxes for working families, provided help for small businesses and homeowners"

"Democrats provided relief for hardworking Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own."

"making debt-free college available to all Americans, cracking down on companies that ship profits and jobs overseas, fighting for equal pay and paid leave, and ensuring the wealthiest citizens and largest corporations pay their fair share"

Now quotes from the communist site

"The transition to a socialist USA will be shaped by our country’s unique history and culture. Its wonderfully diverse working class and people will shape it."

"The means to achieve this goal will have to correspond to the end– solidarity, empathy, equality community, compassion and a dedication to putting people and our planet before profits."

"radical economic, political, social and cultural change."

Ok, basically what we got going on here and for you to see this you NEED a critical eye.

All of this is saying in its essence, government control. No liberty.

On one hand they are saying they want equality for all or prosperity for all.

But, you dont get that by over taxing the wealthy. Thats how the wealthy take there companies, along with there jobs out of your countries. And that then collapses your countries.

All you extreme lefties, particularly you young people need to wake up.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Using the same logic, if Dems are Communist, then Republicans are Fascist.

But not all of them are.

I also prefer my pile of stench be called "Progressivist" rather than "Communist".

Also, this thread seems in the wrong board, as far as I can tell.

 

[Jollybear]

Using the same logic, if Dems are Communist, then Republicans are Fascist.

But not all of them are.

I also prefer my pile of stench be called "Progressivist" rather than "Communist".

Also, this thread seems in the wrong board, as far as I can tell.

No, communists are ALSO fascists. More government control is communist and fascist. Its one in the same.

The more right wing you lean the more liberty you promote.

Also, if progressivism is the same as communism, and communism does not work, why bother with it at all?

 

[columbus]

Also, if progressivism is the same as communism, and communism does not work, why bother with it at all?

Progressive isn't at all the same as Communist.
Trump was the most progressive candidate in the 2016 election. He promised sweeping changes. That's the essence of progressive politics.

Clinton was the conservative. She promised more of the same, with little more change than nibbling around the edges. That's the essence of conservative politics.

Both were lying. But Trump was the Progressive and Clinton was the Conservative. This is obvious to anyone who doesn't get their political opinions from the partisan media.
Tom

 

[Jollybear]

Progressive isn't at all the same as Communist.
Trump was the most progressive candidate in the 2016 election. He promised sweeping changes. That's the essence of progressive politics.

Clinton was the conservative. She promised more of the same, with little more change than nibbling around the edges.

Both were lying. But Trump was the Progressive and Clinton was the Conservative. This is obvious to anyone who doesn't get their political opinions from the partisan media.
Tom

Define conservative?

You look like your muddying terms.

 

[columbus]

Define conservative?

You look like your muddying terms.

Conservative means keeping things the same, mostly.
Progressive is making big changes, because things will be better if we do.
Tom

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Conservative means keeping things the same, mostly.
Progressive is making big changes.
Tom

This may be going too far into theory, but I find left-wing progressivists think that things should be changed in favor of left-wing politics, and right-wing progressivists think things should be changed in favor of right-wing politics.

I'm a left-wing.

There's much more to Progressivism than that though. They tend not to want pure, 100% conservatism - I don't, and Trump didn't in 2016.

 

[Jollybear]

Conservative means keeping things the same, mostly.
Progressive is making big changes, because things will be better if we do.
Tom

Ok. But doesent it also depend on what your keeping the same or what your progressing toward?

I think it does.

 

[Jollybear]

This may be going too far into theory, but I find left-wing progressivists think that things should be changed in favor of left-wing politics, and right-wing progressivists think things should be changed in favor of right-wing politics.

I'm a left-wing.

There's much more to Progressivism than that though. They tend not to want pure, 100% conservatism - I don't, and Trump didn't in 2016.

Your a left wing, ok, so would you consider yourself a communist?

 

[bobhikes]

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So what is your point, both communism and socialism can be very good for the general populace if done right and only penalizes the wealthy slightly taxing them slightly more for increased wealth but still allowing them wealth. Capitalism a system based solely on money can never be fair no matter the people in charge. The general populace will always be disadvantaged against the wealthy in all capitalistic societies.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Your a left wing, ok, so would you consider yourself a communist?

Calling myself a Progressivist kind of means that in my mind, I take on an optimistic, utopian view of world change and how I would consider it ideal, and put that first.

Communism is a pretty hardcore view. I would identify as Socialist though.

 

[Jollybear]

So what is your point, both communism and socialism can be very good for the general populace if done right and only penalizes the wealthy slightly taxing them slightly more for increased wealth but still allowing them wealth. Capitalism a system based solely on money can never be fair no matter the people in charge. The general populace will always be disadvantaged against the wealthy in all capitalistic societies.

The point im making in the oppening post is the democrate party and the communist party are very similar.

And history has shown the communism sucks.

 

[Jollybear]

Calling myself a Progressivist kind of means that in my mind, I take on an optimistic, utopian view of world change and how I would consider it ideal, and put that first.

Communism is a pretty hardcore view. I would identify as Socialist though.

Ok, so what about history showing socialism/communism doesent work well?

 

[LuisDantas]

Using the same logic, if Dems are Communist, then Republicans are Fascist.

But not all of them are.

I also prefer my pile of stench be called "Progressivist" rather than "Communist".

Also, this thread seems in the wrong board, as far as I can tell.

Exactly.

 

[LuisDantas]

The point im making in the oppening post is the democrate party and the communist party are very similar.

And history has shown the communism sucks.

And that is just too funny for words.

 

[columbus]

This may be going too far into theory, but I find left-wing progressivists think that things should be changed in favor of left-wing politics, and right-wing progressivists think things should be changed in favor of right-wing politics.

I'm a left-wing.

There's much more to Progressivism than that though. They tend not to want pure, 100% conservatism - I don't, and Trump didn't in 2016.

Ok. But doesent it also depend on what your keeping the same or what your progressing toward?

I think it does.

So, what do the words "progressive" and "conservative" mean to you?

Clinton didn't say she would change anything important, suddenly. Trump said he would. That makes Trump a progressive and Clinton a conservative. If "won't make big sudden changes" isn't conservative, and "will make big sudden changes" isn't progressive, then what do the words mean?
Tom

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Ok, so what about history showing socialism/communism doesent work well?

Not sure how to answer that question without implying that it doesn't work well, something which I don't believe.

But I do think some Socialist ideas will be more compatible with the future when robots take over our jobs.

 

[Jollybear]

And that is just too funny for words.

Hows it funny?

 

[columbus]

Your a left wing, ok, so would you consider yourself a communist?

In China, oppressive Communism is what's been happening for my entire life. So, continuing that has become the conservative view.
How hard is this?
Hardline Maoists are now the conservatives in China.
Tom

 

[Jollybear]

Exactly.

This is where your decieved. Communists are ALSO fascists.