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Are "black" Americans owed something besides the protection provided by the same laws ...
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shmogie
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Shouldn´t they sue the families of black Africans, and or the Muslims who sold them into slavery in the first place ? White slavers really didn't like going into the interior. They let the above capture folk, and they bought them. Since you have appointed yourself the Canadian dispenser of American taxpayer dollars and guilt, don´t forget the ones who started the ball rolling.
BTW, what reparations have you set up for the families of British owned slaves ? Even American slavery was legal under the British government, it is really the fault of the people of the UK, THEY should be paying for the slavery up to 1776, get on it !
shmogie
Well-Known Member
So called affirmative action has been doing so for decades.
So Bill can keep the car.
I'd say that the traitors your ancestors were fighting are the ones that owe you. I'd have no issue with you pursuing a claim from the estate of the people who killed your ancestors.
As long as discrimination exists, corrective actions that seek to negate those effects should too.
This is like saying antibiotics are being prescribed for decades and we now need to stop taking medicines even though illness causing bacteria are still making folks sick!
Sure, but it's not an either/or thing.
If having a foreigner point out your country's injustices is uncomfortable for you, then maybe do something to correct those injustices.
I don't disagree.
I can't help but notice that everybody's dodging this question.
Tom
Audie
Veteran Member
Canada too had slavery.
And you live on stolen land.
If having a foreigner point that out to you
is uncomfortable, there are remedies.
Ignore
or
Set things straight at home, then move on
to dispense lessons in justice and morality abroad.
Audie
Veteran Member
Anyone calling for reparations who is not
ready to give the land back to the Indians
is just playing virtue-signaling.
Audie
Veteran Member
It has turned out well for the Asian and other
once-discriminated against immigrants.
But it is hard!
Audie
Veteran Member
Eliminate all legal discrimination*, and make disgraceful
any ongoing discrimination-that is the action needed,
and being taken.
After that, it is up to the individual to make him / herself
into someone. An uneducated criminal bum is going
to get "discriminated" against.
Some previously victimized minority groups have
pushed themselves to the heights, others have
stayed mired in their past.
Ideas on how to redress / change that are in demand.
*based on racial /ethnic, religious etc reasons
Audie
Veteran Member
I'm a little bit Native American, so does that mean I get a little bit of land back?
Fair is fair
See ifn a tribe will take you on.
Well, not all of it.
EuroColonialists did pay $24 and some beads for Manhattan.
But there are still contracts signed by the official representatives of the USA government that would be hugely inconvenient to a lot of USonians if they were enforced.
We're not talking about some ancient history from the middle east or Africa or whatever. The government of the USA signed contracts with the indigenous people and then broke them with impunity.
Those contracts still exist.
Tom
Audie
Veteran Member
Not even Manhattan, it too is stolen.
The Manhattan contract such as it was, was for
temporary use of limited hunting / fishing / farming
privileges.
It was a great place, when the estuary was
full of oysters, rich with salmon, sturgeon,
shad. Nobody would abandon it for some
trinkets.
I think by 2019 we should have no race-recognizing advantages. By now we are each Americans with a complicated individual family history that is beyond sorting out today.
I favor anti-discrimination laws but oppose things like affirmative action, reparations and even special status and rights/advantages for Indian tribes. Anything but a 'one America' society is not the way towards the future.
Audie
Veteran Member
More likely that in split-second, life-and-death situations, a cop's implicit biases can make the difference between life and death for the person in front of them.
If it helps, I'm much less ignorant than the fictional version of me you've created.
And there are situations where the officer would be justified in either firing or not firing. From the stats, it seems that in these borderline cases, American cops decide to shoot more often for black suspects than they do for white ones.
I'd be interested to know what facts you think I'm ignoring.
If you say so. I know you say you were a cop; I don't have reason to say that you're lying, but I also don't exactly trust you to be honest.
Apparently, you think that it's relevant enough to engage with it.
So for any existing disadvantages, just lock those in and refuse to deal with them?