kjw47
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They found it annoying in Jesus day as well. They murdered them because they hated the truth Jesus brought. Its no different today except they cannot murder one for following Jesus now.
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Is "American Christian" an Oxymoron?
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They found it annoying in Jesus day as well. They murdered them because they hated the truth Jesus brought. Its no different today except they cannot murder one for following Jesus now.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, the Romans killed him because undoubtedly they considered him an agitator and being treasonous.
kjw47
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kjw47
Well-Known Member
Actually when the Pharisees LIED about Jesus claiming to be God, they were lying. The romans only cared about his claim to being king. Some of the roman kings actually thought they were gods. Pilate said he found no fault in Jesus and did not want to kill him, The screams for a murdering thief to be spared were louder.
I think that you are not aware that there is such a thing as imitation truth. What will happen to a person who clings to it?
It was a joke. LOL
But, really, if to be hated means you are "in the truth" what does it mean when others are hated because of their faith in Jesus?
kjw47
Well-Known Member
Are you catholic?? The bible= Gods written word--Condemns to the core--statues, icons, and graven images- as well as calling any mortal spiritual teacher--Father is not allowed by God. Matt 23:9)-- yet Catholicism does all of this.
Like you I don't say it to be a jerk, I say it because its facts.
kjw47
Well-Known Member
There is much confusion on earth concerning truth-- Most do not know the real Jesus.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
If a Christian wants to be sincere and make any kind of sense, instead of quoting the Bible and Jesus, they should avoid doing so. Merely tell people what YOU know and what YOU experienced. And do so in a way that is sincere and that relates to the person you are speaking with. THEN when that person shows some interest you can introduce the theoretical/theological/Biblical context for that experience. If you don't have that to bring to the table then you should work on your personal relationship with God more or less privately.
If you go around talking about how you have given up your own sense of truth (and with that you imply that you have given up your own responsibility for independent thought) NO ONE with any serious sense of self-respect and personal responsibility is going to listen. What you are saying is, perhaps, quietly and politely being filed away by your audience in a vertical file folder known as "crazy talk".
That is why we Christians should not quote from an ancient book when we, supposedly, have a living truth to communicate.
I have to wonder whether what I have said above pertains to what Jesus taught...
Oaths
33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
(from Matthew 5 NIV)
Walking around with a Jesus badge and "God told us so" attitude just means that you are borrowing your own legitimacy from another source. This is not humility. This is not meekness. Tell YOUR truth and keep God out of it. It is for Him to decide whether to back you up or not.
Rant completed.
If you go around talking about how you have given up your own sense of truth (and with that you imply that you have given up your own responsibility for independent thought) NO ONE with any serious sense of self-respect and personal responsibility is going to listen. What you are saying is, perhaps, quietly and politely being filed away by your audience in a vertical file folder known as "crazy talk".
That is why we Christians should not quote from an ancient book when we, supposedly, have a living truth to communicate.
I have to wonder whether what I have said above pertains to what Jesus taught...
Oaths
33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
(from Matthew 5 NIV)
Walking around with a Jesus badge and "God told us so" attitude just means that you are borrowing your own legitimacy from another source. This is not humility. This is not meekness. Tell YOUR truth and keep God out of it. It is for Him to decide whether to back you up or not.
Rant completed.
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Is Jesus alive and able to communicate?
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
We can take this to the side and debate it if you wish. I suspect next you are going to challenge my Greek and all that. I've been down this road before. Start the thread and I'll be there and pick the topic.
I think the main idea is faith, faith that Jesus will be your advocate when the time comes so the "Christian" doesn't have to witness for themselves.
I tend to see Christianity as the religion for the hopeless. Folk who really have no chance to getting to heaven on their own.
Jesus came for the sinners, the hopelessly inept. So Christians are the bottom of the barrel humanity. Don't expect a lot. Still God in his mercy wanted to give even the most deplorable a way to heaven. So there's not a lot required from them.
No. That's the Qur'an.
At least, hundreds of millions of people think so.
Why would I believe you?
Tom
No.
It's mostly the followers of Jesus who do the murdering. From the Crusades to the Genocide of the Americas to Invasion of Iraq, Christians are famous for killing off people who Don't Believe.
Tom
Now Now
Honey.
That's just a Christian fantasy of death and destruction, they haven't actually brought that off...
Yet
Tom
For almost all Christians, that seems to be the hope....Heaven.
But didn’t Jesus promise that the meek “will inherit the Earth” (Matthew 5:5)? Thats taken from Psalms 37:10-11.
The Bible is full of promises for this Earth being cleaned up, and for people who accept God’s sovereignty, living here.
I was taught the same way (about going to heaven), and then I actually started reading the Bible for myself.
And it makes perfect sense! I mean, this is where Adam & Eve were created, to live here (Isaiah 45:18; Psalms 115:16). Just clean this Earth up, and get rid of the hurtful, greedy people who aren’t willing to change.
And later I was taught (by JW’s) that there are those going to heaven, but they have a purpose: they are chosen to rule as associates with Jesus in the Kingdom, God’s Kingdom that Jesus talked so much about.
It made me think of our system of Democracy here in the USA..... the president doesn’t rule by himself; there are the two houses of Congress, the Supreme Court, and his cabinet. They all play a part.
I got carried away, sorry.
It just surprises me, how much of what the Bible says isn’t taught in church, so even those who go, miss out IMO.
@Hockeycowboy Is Jesus alive?
Nobody can possibly know, because Matthew wrote that not Jesus.
Maybe Jesus said it, maybe not. Maybe Jesus meant what Matthew thought He did, maybe not.
Maybe anything. Maybe someone else wrote it and attributed it to Matthew, because nobody would pay any attention to the author.
Nobody knows who or why it was written. But we know that it wasn't Jesus, and we know that Constantine's chosen bishops included it in the Canon. Whatever that means.
Tom