Greek Paganism now legally recognised in Greece!!

Kemosloby · Apr 19, 2017

Carlita said:
Take the "cups" and wrath and other parable poetry. If it is a fact, it should be simple to talk about.

The life span of someone's bodies do not determine the moral of killing someone of the spirit. So you're saying you rather the innocent (doesn't matter their lifespan) to die and the sinners-of course saved in christ-to be saved?

You want the innocent to die and the sinners to gain?

I have no opinion on who lives or dies, that's not my decision. What i'm saying is where God says he will not tolerate such and such means, it goes on your record unless you repent from such and such. Since God has said it applies to all nations. "where there is no law sin is not taken into account" but now that he says he won't tolerate ...eh nevermind. figure it out...

Unveiled Artist · Apr 19, 2017

Kemosloby said:
I have no opinion on who lives or dies, that's not my decision. What i'm saying is where God says he will not tolerate such and such means, it goes on your record unless you repent from such and such. Since God has said it applies to all nations. "where there is no law sin is not taken into account" but now that he says he won't tolerate ...eh nevermind. figure it out...

You're jumbling your speaking as if trying to be politically correct or respectful.

God kills innocent people who won't repent?

Theweirdtophat · Apr 19, 2017

Carlita said:
Sheesh. No positive congrads or comments?

God doesn't care if others worship other gods. Don't think God cares. But even in the bible, he said don't worship gods before me. Meaning you can worship as many as you want, you just have to acknowledge Yahweh to be the best. That's why Jews worshipped multiple deities before. I'm not Abrahamic and even I know this.

I don't care who worships what. If God was worried about other gods being worshipped, you'd think he'd worry if people worshipped obviously evil deities, not just any deity.

Jhonny Easter · Apr 20, 2017

A Greased Scotsman said:
Worship of the Greek gods has for the first time been legally recognised by the Ministry of Education and Religious Matters as a 'known religion'. Apparently this is literally all that is required for a faith group to be granted full legal rights & protections.

This recognition has come with the bonus of being granted permission to construct a place of worship in Athens. Hopefully Athena will soon be worshipped publicly in her city for the first time in two millennia! Religions in Greece other than the Greek Orthodox Church, even legally recognised ones, face an uphill battle to actually enjoy the rights granted to them - Athenian Muslims, for instance, have been campaigning for over a decade to build a mosque and have met with nothing but failure. That said, this is a momentous step. Hellenic Pagans have been organising and campaigning for twenty years or more to get this recognition. This is definitely a victory to celebrate!

Link

That's good for them! Hopefully that will lead to Athenian Moslem being able to get a mosque for them to pray.

PaganismReligion.Com | Get to know more about Paganism

Kilgore Trout · Apr 20, 2017

viole said:
Zeus, you mean?

Ciao

- viole

Who's Zeus?

ZooGirl02 · Apr 21, 2017

Carlita said:
Roman Catholicism is part Pagan religion. There are practices from the Romans and native to the Romans (aka Roman Paganism) are part of Christian interpretation of Judaism via the apostles and the popes after.

To have a deceased or take out Paganism entirely, is basically taking out the Roman teachings of Catholicism among other things.

Why would you be sadden about someone having a freedom of religion when you are all for it?[/QUOTE

Yes, Roman Catholicism did take some Pagan practices and essentially "baptized" them or "Christianized" them but that does not make Catholicism a Pagan religion in the least.

That said, I am not saddened about someone having freedom of religion. I am saddened that they are building a pagan temple. There is a difference. They should be allowed by law to do it but that doesn't mean I am going to personally condone building the temple.

Anyway, I recommend these articles:

Is Catholicism Pagan? | Catholic Answers

Pagan Influence Fallacy | Catholic Answers

The Kilted Heathen · Apr 21, 2017

ZooGirl02 said:
Yes, Roman Catholicism did take some Pagan practices and essentially "baptized" them or "Christianized" them

"Christianized" is a far better term. They were already holy to begin with.

I am not saddened about someone having freedom of religion. I am saddened that they are building a pagan temple. There is a difference.

No there's not. Just like with homosexuality, catholics are "fine" with it as long as you don't see it. Well, tough, I say. We have to see 50+ churches in every town, I think you can handle one temple in Greece that's been there since before Jesus was born. It doesn't need your "condoning" at all.

Callisto · Apr 21, 2017

Kemosloby said:
Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.

The end of something is the beginning of another. So yeah, you can look at it as the end is near –– as in the end of an oppressing grip of religious bigotry exemplified by your comments. By all means, bring on the end.

Callisto · Apr 21, 2017

Politesse said:
Perhaps their financial and political troubles will ease a bit now that the state allows for worship of the civic deity of the capital again?

This was the first hurdle, the recognition of the indigenous religion that was long overdue. However, religious organizations fall into two categories, non-profit and religious statutory. Polytheistic groups like YSEE are still the former and all along have been subjected to paying annual fees. Once they acquire the status of religious statutory then they'll be exempt. So, the government has been collecting from them this whole time.

Kemosloby · Apr 21, 2017

Callisto said:
The end of something is the beginning of another. So yeah, you can look at it as the end is near –– as in the end of an oppressing grip of religious bigotry exemplified by your comments. By all means, bring on the end.

Aww, that's cute

Callisto · Apr 21, 2017

Flame said:
When in doubt, resort to the fire and brimstone.

And a very hollow, irrelevant threat. Fire and brimstone were both seen as holy by the ancient Hellenes. Seeing either as anything other is a latter-day corruption.

Callisto · Apr 21, 2017

Carlita said:
Nope. European Roman Paganism. The stuff that got put in before Constantine made Christianity the head religion.

I don't know if there are Roman Pagans on this board, is there?

At least 90% of Greeks are Greek Orthodox.

Callisto · Apr 21, 2017

Kemosloby said:
Aww, that's cute

And correct.

Kemosloby · Apr 21, 2017

Callisto said:
And correct.

That all depends on who the real God is...

Brinne · Apr 21, 2017

Interesting! I'm curious to see how this plays out -- particularly in how their places of worship end up looking from an architectural standpoint. I do wonder if they're allowed to practice publicly in religious historical sites (if they aren't already).

Saint Frankenstein · Apr 21, 2017

Kemosloby said:
That all depends on who the real God is...

There's millions of Gods and far be it from me to say that one or the other isn't real. But I'm not worried about threats from any one of them.

Callisto · Apr 21, 2017

Kemosloby said:
That all depends on who the real God is...

There are many. Egomania doesn't change that whether it's done by a man or a deity.

Callisto · Apr 21, 2017

A Greased Scotsman said:
Hellenic Pagans have been organising and campaigning for twenty years or more to get this recognition. This is definitely a victory to celebrate!

Getting back on topic, there have been various organizations over the years in Greece working to regain the rightful status of the religion. Two of the most prominent are YSEE (Ypato Symboulio Ellinon Ethnikon –– in English: The Supreme Council of Ethnikoi Hellenes) and Labrys.

HBO’s VICE series did a segment on YSEE in 2015:

The Kilted Heathen · Apr 21, 2017

Kemosloby said:
That all depends on who the real God is...

It's not a contest, you know.

Callisto · Apr 21, 2017

Brinne said:
Interesting! I'm curious to see how this plays out -- particularly in how their places of worship end up looking from an architectural standpoint. I do wonder if they're allowed to practice publicly in religious historical sites (if they aren't already).

They've not been allowed to use ancient temple sites, that's part of what they're fighting for. Even in the Vice segment I linked to above, the interviewer spoke with a government official and he spoke out both sides of his mouth claiming Hellenes already have freedom of belief "so long as they don't believe anything against the law". Which is heavily under church influence which is why, for example, until now polytheistic weddings were not legally recognized and parents could not register their kids as Dodekatheists. They've cleared the first hurdle by gaining "known religion" status but it'll be interesting to see what roadblocks still persist in terms of finally establishing a public temple in Athens. Even long recognized religions still have difficulties.

Greek Paganism now legally recognised in Greece!!

Well-Known Member

Veteran Member

Well-Known Member

New Member

Misanthropic Humanist

Well-Known Member

Crow FreyjasmaðR

Hellenismos, BTW

Hellenismos, BTW

Well-Known Member

Hellenismos, BTW

Hellenismos, BTW

Hellenismos, BTW

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Gone

Hellenismos, BTW

Hellenismos, BTW

Crow FreyjasmaðR

Hellenismos, BTW