why does the bible contain contradictions ?

[maro]

I am interested to know how chrisitans account for the contradictions of the bible ? does "GOD" contradict himself ?!!

 

[logician]

I am interested to know how chrisitans account for the contradictions of the bible ? does "GOD" contradict himself ?!!

God doesn't exist, man contradicts him/herself quite often.

 

[rocka21]

I am interested to know how chrisitans account for the contradictions of the bible ? does "GOD" contradict himself ?!!

Boring..........


ok, i will bite the hook, now reel us in........:drool:


can you give some examples please?

 

[Willamena]

If you think the Bible contains contradiction, you should read some Zen Buddhist's texts. Now THAT's contradiction.
:beach:

 

[Nanda]

If you think the Bible contains contradiction, you should read some Zen Buddhist's texts. Now THAT's contradiction.
:beach:

That doesn't negate bible contradictions, though. Just because I only murder one person and you murder twelve, it doesn't change the fact that I'm a murderer.

 

[UnTheist]

My favorite is the God loving all of His creation part and still burns non-believers for all eternity for not giving them enough reason to believe in the first place.

 

[Scott1]

I am interested to know how chrisitans account for the contradictions of the bible ? does "GOD" contradict himself ?!!

There are only people who are confused about what the Bible teaches.... there are no contradictions.

Peace in Christ,
Scott

 

[maro]

There are only people who are confused about what the Bible teaches.... there are no contradictions.

Peace in Christ,
Scott

Can you please solve my confusion about it , becoz it seems to contradict each other

Who are we to believe??

Jesus came to confirm the Torah, not to destroy it (Matthew 23:2-3).

While Paul abolished the teachings of the Torah (Acts 13:39).



What hour was Jesus crucified??
(Mark 15:25) It was the third hour, and they crucified him.

(John 19:14) It was the sixth hour, and he was not yet crucified

Who bore the cross??

(Matthew 27:32) The compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus./ also(Luke 23:26)& (Mark 15:21).

(John 19:17) Jesus was bearing his cross himself.


What did they put Jesus on??

(Mark 15:21) They put Jesus on the cross.

(Peter 2:24) They put Jesus on the tree./ also (Gal3:13)


What did they give Jesus to drink??

(Mark 15:23) They gave him wine mingled with myrrh to drink.

(Matthew 27:34) Thew gave him vinegar mingled with gall to drink.


What happened to Judas??

(Mat 27:5) Judas went and hanged himself.

(Acts 1:18) Judas fell headlong, and burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Many earlier sects of Christians believed that it was Judas who died in the place of Jesus, with the contradictions at hand, maybe those earlier Christians were right.


Who went to the grave of Jesus??

(John 20:1) Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

(Mat 28:1) Mary Mag-da-le-ne and another Mary.

(Luke 24:10) Mary Mag-da-le-ne and another Mary and Jo'an-na and some other women.

(Mark 16:1) Mary Mag-da-le-ne and another Mary and Sa-lo'-me.


Angel??

(John 20:12) One woman saw two angels at the grave of Jesus.

(Mat 28:2) Two women saw one angel.

(Luke 24:3) Three women saw two men.

(Mark 16:5) Three women saw one man.

Who was told??

(Luke 24:9) Mary the Mag-da-le and Mary the Mother of James and Jo'an-na returned back from the grave and told the eleven apostles all of what they saw.

(Mark 16:8) Mary the Mag-da-le and Mary and Sa-lo'-me returned
back from the grave, and did not tell anyone anything because
they were afraid.

 

[Scott1]

Can you please solve my confusion about it , becoz it seems to contradict each other

No, sorry... I can't.

A person has to be open to the Holy Spirit to understand the Word of God.... and I don't think you plan on accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior anytime in the near future, right?

You are trying to force your way of thinking into our faith... it does not work like that. In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words... But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. "Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written."

Hope that helps.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

4:78

Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in towers, raised high. And if good befalls them, they say: This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say: This is from thee. Say: All is from Allah. But what is the matter with these people that they make no effort to understand anything?​

4:79

Whatever good befalls thee (O man), it is from Allah, and whatever misfortune befalls the, it is from thyself. We have sent the (O Prophet) to mankind as a Messenger. And Allah is sufficient as a witness.​

The Holy Quran

Yep - contradictions suck. Maybe all these texts are human compositions ...

 

[maro]

No, sorry... I can't.

thank you , this is what i thought too

A person has to be open to the Holy Spirit to understand the Word of God.... and I don't think you plan on accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior anytime in the near future, right?

Hmmm........if the "book" that says jesus is my lord contradicts itself like that.....i guess not :yes:

You are trying to force your way of thinking into our faith... it does not work like that.

did i force my way of thinking?! i was just asking a question , LOL

In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way.

which means that he (contradists himself) to seem more human and less God ?

To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words...

did he want to affirm (contradicting stuff ) at the same time ?

Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit

by whom it was written."[/quote]

Meaning ?

 

[Scott1]

thank you , this is what i thought too

You're welcome.

Hmmm........if the "book" that says jesus is my lord contradicts itself like that.....i guess not

It's not a book... it's a faith.... and the Christian faith is not found inside a book.

did i force my way of thinking?! i was just asking a question , LOL

Just an innocent question, right? Not an attack on Christians or the Christian faith?

which means that he (contradists himself) to seem more human and less God ?

No contradictions in a story.... it's not meant to be read like a science book... it's not a difficult concept if your really trying to understand.

did he want to affirm (contradicting stuff ) at the same time ?

Any time you'd like a lesson on a specific part of Christian theology, please start a new thread... I don't have the time to explain the Bible line by line in this thread..

Meaning ?

It was written by the Holy Spirit and must be read by those in the Spirit ... ie. Christians.

And remember..... don't worry about us Christians... the Koran says we'll be with you in the afterlife:
"-all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds - shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve." Surah 2:62

...or does the Koran contradict itself?

 

[Kungfuzed]

I find that life itself is often contradictory, and at the very least, counterintuative. There can still be some truth found in it for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

 

[Willamena]

I find that life itself is often contradictory, and at the very least, counterintuative. There can still be some truth found in it for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Zen Buddhism says the same thing.

 

[maro]

4:78

Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in towers, raised high. And if good befalls them, they say: This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say: This is from thee. Say: All is from Allah. But what is the matter with these people that they make no effort to understand anything?​

4:79

Whatever good befalls thee (O man), it is from Allah, and whatever misfortune befalls the, it is from thyself. We have sent the (O Prophet) to mankind as a Messenger. And Allah is sufficient as a witness​

you assume it's a contradiction without asking any muslim about it ,Right ?

your ignorance is your own problem really ,not ours ​

if you asked about it in the (islam DIr forum ) , and found muslims answering you by things like ;

_the quran must be read by Muslims only in order to be interpreted right (like i have been answered in this thread), then you are at liberty to say it's a contradiction then​

The reason i started thid thread ,becoz the passage of (contradictions) i posted, have already been posted before in (Quran: did jesus die?) thread , and no christian bothered to answer or defend his scripture :cover:

 

[Scott1]

you assume it's a contradiction without asking any muslim about it ,Right ?

To whom are you directing this?

I'll guess it's me.

First.... I don't assume it's a contradiction.
Second.... I've asked dozens of Muslims.

So.... no, you're wrong on both accounts.

your ignorance is your own problem really ,not ours

Hmmmm.... is this the "official" Muslim way of clearing things up?

_the quran must be read by Muslims only in order to be interpreted right (like i have been answered in this thread), then you are at liberty to say it's a contradiction then

Again... it's not a contradiction (clear enough yet?) and every Muslim I've ever spoken to told me that I must refer to the teachings of your faith (the Hadith if I remember correctly) to correctly understand a passage in the Koran.

I can't just read any line in the Koran out of context or otherwise and assume I know what it means.... correct?

The reason i started thid thread ,becoz the passage of (contradictions) i posted, have already been posted before in (Quran: did jesus die?) thread , and no christian bothered to answer or defend his scripture

Hey, some people enjoy bashing those who believe differently than they do.... have fun.... my faith teaches me to love you even if you believe I'm ignorant and you just don't care about me as a person or my faith. Jesus Christ, my Lord and My God teaches me to love our neighbor as ourselves... so answer me back please... even if it is just to try and humiliate this ignorant Christian.

Peace in Christ,
Scott

 

[maro]

And remember..... don't worry about us Christians... the Koran says we'll be with you in the afterlife:
"-all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds - shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve." Surah 2:62

...or does the Koran contradict itself?

Who said i am worried about you ?

Although i explained this many times before ,but i'll do it again. and hopefully the last

This verse is not talking about you or your fellow christians , who are still christians after Muhammed (PBUH) , it 's talking about those 1)who existed before prophet Muhammed(PBUH) ,2) and were following the pure (monotheistic) message of their prophet (Pbuh)

this verse was revealed to prophet muhammad (PBUH) , when one of his companions asked him about his christian relatives who died before Muhammad (PBUH) , while they where submitting to only one god ,

to interpret any verse right , you have to find wether the verse has a story behind it or not, what we call (ASBAB AL NOZOL) ,and it's clarified in the Hadith

(believe in god) in the verse means to believe in (one god ) , not a trinity , the pure monotheism of Islam , that was the message of all other prophets


Here is what i am talking about :
http://www.altafsir.com/AsbabAlnuzol.asp?SoraName=2&Ayah=62&search=yes&img=A&



(Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews…) [2:62].
Al-Hafiz Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad informed us> ‘Abd Allah ibn Muhammad ibn Ja‘far the al-Hafiz> Abu Yahya al-Razi> Sahl ibn ‘Uthman al-‘Askari> Yahya ibn Abi Za’idah who said: “Ibn Jurayj said> ‘Abd Allah ibn Kuthayr> Mujahid who said: ‘When Salman related to the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, the story of the monks, the Prophet told him that they will dwell in hell fire’. Salman said: ‘The whole earth became gloomy for me, but then this verse was revealed (Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews) up to Allah’s saying (and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve), and it was as if a mountain had been lifted away from me’ ”.

Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-Marwazi informed us> Muhammad ibn al-Husayn al-Haddadi> Abu Yazid> Ishaq ibn Ibrahim> ‘Amr> Asbat> al-Suddi who said: “The verse (Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews…) was revealed about the monks with whom Salman al-Farisi kept company. When Salman went to see the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, he informed him about their worship and striving. He said: ‘O Messenger of Allah! They used to pray and fast; they believed in you and bore witness that you will be sent as a prophet’. When Salman finished his praise of them, Allah’s Messenger, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: ‘O Salman! They are of the dwellers of hell fire’. Allah then revealed (Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews) up to His saying (neither shall they grieve)”.

Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ja‘far informed us> Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Zakariyya’> Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Daghuli> Abu Bakr ibn Abi Khaythamah> ‘Amr ibn Hammad> Asbat> al-Suddi> Abu Malik> Abu Salih> Ibn ‘Abbas> Murrah> Ibn Mas‘ud> also from some of the Companions of the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace: “(Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews) was revealed about Salman al-Farisi, a notable of Jundishapur; what follows this verse was revealed about the Jews”.

 

[Scott1]

Who said i am worried about you ?

You've made it quite clear that you do not....

Although i explained this many times before ,but i'll do it again. and hopefully the last

Dear brother... in your anger and hate you seem to miss the point... I don't need an explaination of the verse... I know what it means... you, however, can't see past your self to realize that you have proven my point. Anyone who reads a Bible verse can get it wrong .... the same way you thought I was wrong about my interpretation of the Koran....you can't just look at the Bible and think you know what you are talking about.

I pray that Allah calms your anger.

All with Peter to Jesus through Mary,
Scott

 

[maro]

To whom are you directing this?

I'll guess it's me.

First.... I don't assume it's a contradiction.
Second.... I've asked dozens of Muslims.

So.... no, you're wrong on both accounts.

calm down scott , this was not directed at you ,it was directed at (jay)

Hmmmm.... is this the "official" Muslim way of clearing things up?

hmmm...ok , what about starting a thread in our DIR forum to clear things up , is this better ?

Here :http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=897526#post897526

Again... it's not a contradiction (clear enough yet?) and every Muslim I've ever spoken to told me that I must refer to the teachings of your faith (the Hadith if I remember correctly) to correctly understand a passage in the Koran. [/quran]

I can't just read any line in the Koran out of context or otherwise and assume I know what it means.... correct?

very true :yes:

Hey, some people enjoy bashing those who believe differently than they do.... have fun.... my faith teaches me to love you even if you believe I'm ignorant and you just don't care about me as a person or my faith. Jesus Christ, my Lord and My God teaches me to love our neighbor as ourselves... so answer me back please... even if it is just to try and humiliate this ignorant Christian.

hey..calm down again....this was not directed at you (the ignorant stuff) , it was directed at the one who posted the verses from the quran and assumed they contradict each other without having knowlege about it ,

i am sorry you misunderstood that

 

[Scott1]

Thank God maro!

I thought you were a nut!

Ha!

Sorry for the confusion.