Trump

[metis]

Being vaccinated to protect one's fellow human beings is never a non sequitur. It wasn't during Covid, and it isn't now.

It can reduce the spread as we've repeatedly said because the fact that it is passed airborne also means that if one's symptoms are reduced, such as when sneezing, coughing, and even talking, this can reduce the spread.

 

[Pogo]

Being vaccinated to protect one's fellow human beings is never a non sequitur. It wasn't during Covid, and it isn't now.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Being vaccinated to protect one's fellow human beings is not a non-sequitur, it is specifically the object in producing herd immunity that protects those who cannot take the vaccine and has led to the effective eradication of several viruses such as polio and nearly measles and whooping cough. Measles outbreaks occur where the vaccination level has fallen below the herd immunity level.

'Herd immunity', also known as 'population immunity', is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. WHO

 

[Tomef]

Allowing 10 million foreigners to illegally cross the border and murder U.S. civilians has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Are you saying you actually believe this stuff? Or is this some Poe stunt?

 

[Laniakea]

What a disingenuous and morally bankrupt statement, as we were talking about overall rates of crime. It is you, not I, who is ignoring the reality with the stats and then stooping low and accusing me of being uncaring.

I'm the one who originally brought up caring for those who are suffering, and you are the one who originally stooped low and referred to it as hyperbole:

That's just nonsensical hyperbole matched with a disregard of basic compassion for those in need. If you want to lower the crime rate, then you should be all for a Trump conviction-- but you're not.

Also, a question is not a statement.

 

[Laniakea]

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Unless it's digital.

 

[Laniakea]

Are you saying you actually believe this stuff? Or is this some Poe stunt?

I see you're new here. Welcome to the friendly debate forum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You swallowed the Trump nonsense hook, line, & sinker as most of the stipulations in the bill were from Republicans, and it was very likely to pass before the Donald opened up his big yap and said that Biden would get credit for it! How could you have missed that?

Victims of TDS have trouble seeing when their savior is wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Unless it's digital.

True, I have a digital clock that can be right 120 times a day. It freezes at the time that the power was interrupted. And flashes. So it will tell you that it is 8:45, 8:45, 8: 45 every second. It is usually the first clock that is reset. But if I let it go for one minute twice a day it would be correct each time that it flashed.

 

[Pogo]

Unless it's digital.

No, the exception is 24 hour clocks not clocks flashing 12:00 or any other value waiting to be set.

 

[Laniakea]

No, the exception is 24 hour clocks not clocks flashing 12:00 or any other value waiting to be set.

Thank you for clarifying that important fact.

 

[Pogo]

True, I have a digital clock that can be right 120 times a day. It freezes at the time that the power was interrupted. And flashes. So it will tell you that it is 8:45, 8:45, 8: 45 every second. It is usually the first clock that is reset. But if I let it go for one minute twice a day it would be correct each time that it flashed.

That is still only twice a day, if you will notice that typically when running the : or something else will flash on the second to allow you to count the missing digits on many clocks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is still only twice a day, if you will notice that typically when running the : or something else will flash on the second to allow you to count the missing digits on many clocks.

I don't know, when it is working it does not blink. So it keeps drawing attention to itself in a very disrupting manner. If it was a steady state of being wrong, I would go for the twice a day option.

It can be useful because it does tell me when we lost power. But I do not need to be constantly reminded of that. Luckily we have very reliable power where I live. A friend of my brother's that lived about 30 miles away from me was out of power for a week and the same outage was only long enough to force me to reset the clocks where I live. And that was late fall early winter. If he had electric only, as I do, it would have been really rough.

 

[Pogo]

I don't know, when it is working it does not blink. So it keeps drawing attention to itself in a very disrupting manner. If it was a steady state of being wrong, I would go for the twice a day option.

It can be useful because it does tell me when we lost power. But I do not need to be constantly reminded of that. Luckily we have very reliable power where I live. A friend of my brother's that lived about 30 miles away from me was out of power for a week and the same outage was only long enough to force me to reset the clocks where I live. And that was late fall early winter. If he had electric only, as I do, it would have been really rough.

Well that puts the 8 hour outage I had last week in perspective.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You swallowed the Trump nonsense hook, line, & sinker as most of the stipulations in the bill were from Republicans, and it was very likely to pass before the Donald opened up his big yap and said that Biden would get credit for it! How could you have missed that?

Either way it still stands that Biden doesn't even need a bill in the first place.

Fact stands he just doesn't want to close the border at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well that puts the 8 hour outage I had last week in perspective.

The worst that I have had is about a day and a half. And the worst of our windstorms that we tend to have annually are right around Thanksgiving. That can make that holiday so much more fun.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Either way it still stands that Biden doesn't even need a bill in the first place.

Fact stands he just doesn't want to close the border at all.

You mean Trump, don't you? Actions speak louder than words and the Democrats tried to put it under control. Trump never dealt with the problem that Biden has been dealing with, even though it started during the Trump administration.

 

[Laniakea]

You mean Trump, don't you? Actions speak louder than words and the Democrats tried to put it under control. Trump never dealt with the problem that Biden has been dealing with, even though it started during the Trump administration.

The border is already under democrat biden's control. He proved it with all the executive orders he signed on day 1 that opened the border back up, proving he can control border operations without Congressional approval.
Doing nothing to secure the border at this point is evidence of his control to keep it open.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Either way it still stands that Biden doesn't even need a bill in the first place.

Fact stands he just doesn't want to close the border at all.

"No, a president cannot completely shut down the border with an executive order. A full border closure would violate federal laws granting people the right to seek asylum."

No, the president can’t completely close the border via executive order

VERIFY readers asked if Biden can close the border with an executive order. Presidents have restricted who comes into the U.S., but those orders can only go so far.

www.verifythis.com

“The Administration spent months negotiating in good faith to deliver the toughest and fairest bipartisan border security bill in decades because we need Congress to make significant policy reforms and to provide additional funding to secure our border and fix our broken immigration system,” White House spokesperson Angelo Fernández Hernández said in a statement.

“No executive action, no matter how aggressive, can deliver the significant policy reforms and additional resources Congress can provide and that Republicans rejected. We continue to call on Speaker Johnson and House Republicans to pass the bipartisan deal to secure the border,” he added."

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www.cnn.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

The border is already under democrat biden's control. He proved it with all the executive orders he signed on day 1 that opened the border back up, proving he can control border operations without Congressional approval.
Doing nothing to secure the border at this point is evidence of his control to keep it open.

No, you do not seen to realize that this is a country of laws. The situation changed under Trump. The fact that the situation changed was not his fault. What was his fault is that he never had a proper answer to it. And that answer has to arise by going to Congress and urging them to pass appropriate bills. Trump never did that. Biden did. A compromise was made with the Republicans. They were the ones that wrote most of the law. When it became clear to Trump that Biden would rightfully get the credit for leading this compromise he told his followers to go back on their word. And they did.

How can you support such a weak man that only thinks about his own good? Trump was not thinking about what was good for the country. The Democrats compromised because they were thinking about the good of the country. They wanted to do something. If they wanted to "pull a Trump" they could have written their own bill that no Republican would support and then blame them for the border crisis.

This is so clearly Trump's fault it is rather hard to understand how you can see it any other way.

 

[MelancholicPotatoChip]

I guess we will have to wait until next week to have more news about Trump there's so much stuff out on the news right now About him somewhere it's good some swear it's bad. But next week is a trial so I guess we'll get more insider news then.

I keep telling myself not to see what's happening in the news regarding Trump but I do it anyway. I want to stay away from all news reporting media because I'm depressed enough but I end up viewing it anyway.