Audie
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I don't mean taiwan
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Poland Stops Providing Ukraine with New Weapons, More Calls in Some EU States to Stop Backing Ukraine
- Thread starter Debater Slayer
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Who?
If China actually invaded Russian territory,
the paper tiger would likely use its superior
nuclear weaponry on China.
Not a good move.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Seems like good news to me, but heck, what do I know.
www.ifw-kiel.de
Ukraine Support Tracker: Europe clearly overtakes US, with total commitments now twice as large
Europe has clearly overtaken the United States in promised aid to Ukraine, with total European commitments now being twice as large. A main reason is the EU’s new €50 billion “Ukraine Facility,” but also other European countries have upped their support with new multi-year packages. For the...
Very bad news for the élites overseas.Seems like good news to me, but heck, what do I know.
Ukraine Support Tracker: Europe clearly overtakes US, with total commitments now twice as large
Europe has clearly overtaken the United States in promised aid to Ukraine, with total European commitments now being twice as large. A main reason is the EU’s new €50 billion “Ukraine Facility,” but also other European countries have upped their support with new multi-year packages. For the...
That money will not be spent on weaponry, or warfare.
It will be spent on the reconstruction and on welfare for the Ukrainian civilians.
Under the supervision of the European Commission.
It appears that much of it is more long-term aid over the course of several years, which Ukraine will most definitely need in the aftermath - if this thing ever ends.
Meanwhile...
Zelenskyy is not the right president for when Ukraine joins the EU.
Ukraine hasn't joined in the EU yet...and he disses a EU Prime Minister, already.
He has an attitude that many dislike. As if he were entitled. As if he had been invested with something very important.
And I guess I know who invested him with the task of continuing the war, no matter what happens. For ever and ever and ever.
In Europe nobody invested him with anything. So...
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Poland has a right to prioritize its own interests over others.Amid a row over grain shipments, Poland has said it will stop delivering new weapons to Ukraine:
Europe blinks amid calls to stop backing Ukraine
On its other eastern front, Kyiv’s hawkish allies are going wobbly.www.politico.eu
Support from Estonia and Slovakia is also at risk of considerably waning, although many EU states are still backing Ukraine as much as they have done since the start of the war:
Unfortunately, it seems that leaders in a few EU states may be prioritizing political convenience and votes above helping Ukraine fend off the Russian invasion, which I find sad but not surprising given the interest-driven nature of international politics. Hopefully this won't end up having a significant impact on Ukraine's efforts to defend its territory.
What are your thoughts on these developments? Do you think they will have a moderate-to-major impact or only turn out to be relatively insignificant in the grand scheme of things?
They did their honorable part.
His current job is to expel the invaders.
Maybe he'll return to comedy when
Putin's tail is betwixt his legs, eh.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Especially amid reports of Ukraine victories suggesting they have things under control and are capable of handling the situation on their own.
Do you believe that wasn't related
to aid by the west?
Are you pro Russia or anti Ukraine?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's difficult to tell sometimes , so I'm on the fence watching it unfold.
In six months there are the presidential elections in Ukraine.
The EU will ask them to vote for a president who wants a ceasefire, so Ukraine can think of rebuilding the economy, housing...with EU money...
The US will probably ask them to vote for a warlike president who uses Ukrainian soldiers as cannon fodder to defeat Russians.
Who do you think Ukrainians will vote for?
Why do you think Europeans are more and more against the prosecution of this war and the funding of weapons (as in the OP article)?
Because they do know that having a warlike approach makes you lose the elections.
So...spending European money on such a barbaric thing is something the EU is avoiding.
Rand is an isolationist, always has been. And Josh "runs for his life" Hawley will say anything to get media attention.The longer this goes on, the more people will grow weary of it.
Even in the U.S., the cracks are starting to show: Paul will hold up any spending stopgap that includes Ukraine funding
Rand Paul is right about Ukraine aid - Washington Examiner
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) took to the Senate floor Wednesday to voice his opposition to sending further aid to the Ukrainian military. “I will not consent to expedited passage of any spending bill that provides any more American aid to Ukraine,” Paul said. “It is as if no one has noticed that we have nowww.washingtonexaminer.com
I think the danger is still there. I could see a Korean war scenario happen where as soon as it looks like the north is beat, China gets involved. Keeping pressure on putin will keep China minding their own business.
Many of these isolationist voices have a poor vision of how connected the world economy is. Imagine if China gets involved and we cut off trade with China. That would be a disaster for the US economy.
I don't see this, Democrats are pretty solid on support for Ukraine. It's the republians who have a split in support with the Freedom Caucus wanting to cut support. McCarthy is caught in the middle, which was his miscalculation from the start.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Maybe reread the article.
This article?
EU plans up to €72 billion in aid for Ukraine
Money for the war-torn country would come with conditions over anti-corruption and structural reforms.
www.politico.eu
You fail to mention putin in any of this. He was the one who invaded, he's the one who will stop it. putin is likely hoping to maintain a stalemate hoping that somehow Trump can get re-elected. The election is 13 months away, and another two before being sworn in. So that is a long time for Russia to hold on against the majority of the world against him.
Because it is putin not admitting he lost and it's a waste of money that this one idiot won't face reality. His reputation is ruined, and there is no getting it back.
It is defense against an aggressor. It is a wsate of money that is all on putin. Let's hope that Russia will have to pay these nations back in the form of gas and money. Too bad for Russia.
Because most of Europe learned how war is a waste of money TWICE in the 20th century. Only putin is too stupid to realize it is something no one values and wants. The faster putin is defeated the better. Then NATO can vote for Ukraine to join, and putin will have caused the one thing he was trying to prevent.
Because some Europeans favor Putin expanding
Russia into the old Soviet stomping grounds.
Putin espouses old school Christian values of
vengeance, oppression, & persecuting gays.