Couldn't have said it better myself...

[Muffled]

Previous lives? That is not a Christian belief.

I believe that is not current Christian orthodoxy but it is Biblically sound. It isn't the same as Hindu re-incarnation nor as Buddhist rebirth.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I believe that is not current Christian orthodoxy but it is Biblically sound..

Yes, we have no knowledge of "where our souls originate" .. it is hidden from us.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe that is not current Christian orthodoxy but it is Biblically sound. It isn't the same as Hindu re-incarnation nor as Buddhist rebirth.

How is it biblically sound?

 

[YoursTrue]

Through most of human existence, we likely didn't either. In Amazonia, there are some bands that don't wear clothes even today.

You say likely. Nevertheless, gorillas as well as others have never worn clothes to cover themselves up. I thought about tribes that go virtually naked and that could be related to the expansion of people which I won't go into now. Yet the 'fact' remains -- humans alone, for whatever reason someone may offer, wear clothes. Might you happen to know when people started wearing clothes, according to science, of course.

 

[YoursTrue]

Through most of human existence, we likely didn't either. In Amazonia, there are some bands that don't wear clothes even today.

So these particular ones do not feel the constraints of social mores. Nevertheless...again--gorillas evidently do not. Yet again -- humans alone are the ones that have "social mores" that impell them to cover themselves up.

 

[YoursTrue]

Through most of human existence, we likely didn't either. In Amazonia, there are some bands that don't wear clothes even today.

Can you offer any substance to your statement that humans likely did not wear clothes throughout most of human existence?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You say likely. Nevertheless, gorillas as well as others have never worn clothes to cover themselves up. I thought about tribes that go virtually naked and that could be related to the expansion of people which I won't go into now. Yet the 'fact' remains -- humans alone, for whatever reason someone may offer, wear clothes. Might you happen to know when people started wearing clothes, according to science, of course.

Once again, we left the forests. Then we left the tropics. That caused a need for protection from the elements. People moved north far far faster than they could evolve. Clothes were a natural invention.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So these particular ones do not feel the constraints of social mores. Nevertheless...again--gorillas evidently do not. Yet again -- humans alone are the ones that have "social mores" that impell them to cover themselves up.

How many times do you need tis repeated to you:

Gorillas never left the environment that they evolved in. They have no need for clothing.

 

[Willamena]

In the last century, three atheists were responsible for creating living hells on earth. Hitler, the Holocaust. Stalin, the USSR and its gulags. And Mao and the death of umptine millions.

These three atheist, who didn't believe in hell, are in Hell's Hall of Fame for creating hell on earth.



John

Darn those three.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In the last century, three atheists were responsible for creating living hells on earth. Hitler, the Holocaust. Stalin, the USSR and its gulags. And Mao and the death of umptine millions.

These three atheist, who didn't believe in hell, are in Hell's Hall of Fame for creating hell on earth.



John

It is far more accurate to call Hitler a Christian than an atheist. He definitely was not an atheist, but the did have some very weird Jesus beliefs. Technically that would make him a Christian, though no sect would accept him.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It is far more accurate to call Hitler a Christian than an atheist. He definitely was not an atheist, but the did have some very weird Jesus beliefs. Technically that would make him a Christian, though no sect would accept him.

Well, I would go a 3rd way, but still oppose his worldview.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, I would go a 3rd way, but still oppose his worldview.

He could possibly be a pagan of some sort, but he did appear to have a Jesus belief. Not a traditional one, but there is a substantial range of Jesus beliefs out there.

 

[John D. Brey]

It is far more accurate to call Hitler a Christian than an atheist. He definitely was not an atheist, but the did have some very weird Jesus beliefs. Technically that would make him a Christian, though no sect would accept him.

What would his "weird Jesus beliefs" be?



John

 

[Subduction Zone]

What would his "weird Jesus beliefs" be?



John

One of them would be that Jesus was OK with him killing the Jews. It can't get much more weird than that.

Why on Earth did you ever think that he was an atheist?

 

[metis]

Nevertheless, gorillas as well as others have never worn clothes to cover themselves up.

And that's a big deal because...? Hey, we can't run as fast as cheetahs so are we inferior to them?

I thought about tribes that go virtually naked and that could be related to the expansion of people which I won't go into now.

It relates to climate and the mores that evolve for reasons that cannot be determined. One hypothesis has it that when humans became less promiscuous it was important to cover up the sex organs.

BTW, during biblical times it was not at all abnormal that men would work naked, when in the water for example.

Might you happen to know when people started wearing clothes, according to science, of course.

We can't tell for sure, but they would have become necessary when humans began to more north out of Africa because of the weather.

 

[YoursTrue]

And that's a big deal because...? Hey, we can't run as fast as cheetahs so are we inferior to them?

It relates to climate and the mores that evolve for reasons that cannot be determined. One hypothesis has it that when humans became less promiscuous it was important to cover up the sex organs.

BTW, during biblical times it was not at all abnormal that men would work naked, when in the water for example.

We can't tell for sure, but they would have become necessary when humans began to more north out of Africa because of the weather.

It's a big deal as far as I am concerned because only humans wear clothes. Not sure if you believe much of what the Bible says, but you probably remember that it is written at a certain point Jesus stopped reasoning with Pontius Pilate. What do I mean by that, you may wonder...because if a person keeps denying the history written in the Bible, there's no use to reason as to what the Bible says, so I'll just leave it at there, that only humans, no matter what, wear and devised ability to wear clothing. Bears and gorillas do not.

 

[Brian2]

That is a trinitarian belief.
Clearly, many thought otherwise.
Constantine himself was baptised by an Arian shortly before his death, and many Emperors were Arians.
Trinitarian Emperors eventually outlawed Arian belief, destroying texts and waging war against them.

It's just that there was no group of "Christians" before Arius who saw Jesus as a created being as far as I know.

No .. because one plays with philosophy, so as to make it so.
In the process, we end up with a "mystery", as to how Jesus and the Father can both be God, despite Jesus praying to the Father.

Jesus came to live as a man on earth, the servant of God of Isa 49, the suffering servant of Isa 53. Jesus did not come 2000 years ago in His glory and power to judge and rule. Jesus as a man 2000 years ago has a God, and still has a God since Jesus was raised from the dead as a man. The Father became the God of Jesus when Jesus became a man (Psalm 22:10) The human Son on earth 2000 years ago, living as a man and relying on His God and Father, prayed to His Father.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's a big deal as far as I am concerned because only humans wear clothes. Not sure if you believe much of what the Bible says, but you probably remember that it is written at a certain point Jesus stopped reasoning with Pontius Pilate. What do I mean by that, you may wonder...because if a person keeps denying the history written in the Bible, there's no use to reason as to what the Bible says, so I'll just leave it at there, that only humans, no matter what, wear and devised ability to wear clothing. Bears and gorillas do not.

The Bible is more myth than history. You really should try to learn how others know this.

 

[YoursTrue]

It is far more accurate to call Hitler a Christian than an atheist. He definitely was not an atheist, but the did have some very weird Jesus beliefs. Technically that would make him a Christian, though no sect would accept him.

Hitler did have an evolutionist viewpoint, insofar as he believed and promoted the superiority of the Aryan people.

One of them would be that Jesus was OK with him killing the Jews. It can't get much more weird than that.

Why on Earth did you ever think that he was an atheist?

Here's an interesting point about Hitler and his ideas...Eugenics

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible is more myth than history. You really should try to learn how others know this.

I thought about this. There have been various important civilizations with little to no written documentation or history. The history of the Jews, however, including the advent of Christianity (true Christianity) is preserved in the pages of the scriptures in great detail. Other civilizations have no details preserved about them
6 Lost Civilizations
That includes the Mayan civilization.