The Power of a Message of Peace is Unfolding.

[Hockeycowboy]

Tony, i just now saw your thread…hope you and yours are doing well….

The nations have had an entity in effect since 1919, for just that purpose: trying to impose peace. It started out as the League of Nations, went defunct, but “ascended out of the abyss” (Revelation 17:8, “was, but is not, yet is”) & came back as the United Nations, getting its power “from the seven.”

But it, too, will ultimately fail. It will succeed though in destroying Babylon the Great, false religion.

Only God’s Kingdom, in the hands of His Son Jesus, will bring lasting peace to mankind. Matthew 6:9-10; Daniel 7:13-14; Isaiah 9:6-7; Revelation 21:3-4.

IMO.

i think you would love that!

Take care, my friend and cousin!

 

[CG Didymus]

They all offer that our heart and choices are the key to unity, based in true Justice and the ability to find the Beauty of God.

The "beauty" of God is hypothetical, since even Baha'is say that God is unknowable. Baha'is say all we can know of God is from his manifestations. And the older Scriptures have lots of variations of what God is like. Baha'is can take their poetic writings and their prayers and get an idea of the "beauty" of God, but another religion can have very different concepts of who their God is. And what's "true" justice? You know the usual questions. Why do kids get born with disabilities or get cancer? Or get killed by guns or maimed by land mines or shot at school? And on and on.

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes a capitalist system is required.

Why would the Baha'i Faith believe in capitalism? Even the U.S. had to make laws to keep people from exploiting their workers and cutting corners on quality and finding ways to put their competitors out of business.

 

[CG Didymus]

I do not know a Baha'i with that issue.

Regards Tony

How about Baha'is that are against homosexuals from having sex with each other or allowing them to marry? What's a good word for that?

 

[CG Didymus]

God puts them out there as we have been given the capacity to embrace all that is of and from God, over our own material selves.

We are still learning to find our own selves and thus still finding the capacity to distinguish between what is from God and what is from our own selves.

It's a great journey, this matrix CG, a great journey indeed.

Regards Tony

And why follow the Baha'i teachings to do that? What's wrong with the teachings of the other religions? Baha'is have competition. They claim that they are the newest and that they have the updated information from God, but that is debatable.

 

[CG Didymus]

The Bible warns of the false and also gives guidance as to who is a true prophet.

That is part of finding our own self, we need to implement justice when we determine this.

Regards Tony

When you say Bible, I assume you mean the Christian version. But the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible don't necessarily support a belief in Islam or the Baha'i Faith. To you, yes. To others, no.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Why would the Baha'i Faith believe in capitalism? Even the U.S. had to make laws to keep people from exploiting their workers and cutting corners on quality and finding ways to put their competitors out of business.

We are neither Socialists nor Capitalists, there is a new race of men, building new financial ideals.

"Certainly, some being enormously rich and others lamentably poor, an organization is necessary to control and improve this state of affairs. It is important to limit riches, as it is also of importance to limit poverty. Either extreme is not good. To be seated in the mean is most desirable. If it be right for a capitalist to possess a large fortune, it is equally just that his workman should have a sufficient means of existence." – Abdu’l-Baha, Paris Talks

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

How about Baha'is that are against homosexuals from having sex with each other or allowing them to marry? What's a good word for that?

The law for Baha'is, a God given law.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And why follow the Baha'i teachings to do that? What's wrong with the teachings of the other religions? Baha'is have competition. They claim that they are the newest and that they have the updated information from God, but that is debatable.

God promised this day, I choose to be part of this day, not bygone days!

You can choose as you wish to CG.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When you say Bible, I assume you mean the Christian version. But the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible don't necessarily support a belief in Islam or the Baha'i Faith. To you, yes. To others, no.

I see Isalm and the Baha'i Faith are fully supported.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Tony, i just now saw your thread…hope you and yours are doing well….

The nations have had an entity in effect since 1919, for just that purpose: trying to impose peace. It started out as the League of Nations, went defunct, but “ascended out of the abyss” (Revelation 17:8, “was, but is not, yet is”) & came back as the United Nations, getting its power “from the seven.”

But it, too, will ultimately fail. It will succeed though in destroying Babylon the Great, false religion.

Only God’s Kingdom, in the hands of His Son Jesus, will bring lasting peace to mankind. Matthew 6:9-10; Daniel 7:13-14; Isaiah 9:6-7; Revelation 21:3-4.

IMO.

i think you would love that!

Take care, my friend and cousin!

I hope all is well with you Hockeycowboy.

I see a future Unity of nations will come about, you are correct that the League and United Nations were not effective.

Isaiah 9:6-7 is foretelling of Baha'u'llah, 100% so.

Daniel 7:13-14 seems to be talking about the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Revelation 21:3-4 is also Baha'u'llah, 100%.


Matthew 6:9-10, that is what the Bab and Baha'u'llah brought to humanity.

I think you will love that

Regards Tony

 

[joelr]

The solutions was given in the 1800's.

Humanity does need to listen. IMHO

Yet they will not, not until the old world order has completely crumbled, which may be close, as people are now seeing that old world national predudices, race predudices and religious predudices combined with material greed and opulence, are naught but destructive.

Regards Tony

What solutions? Come together into his religion? Well Islam says that as well? That is your big solution? For others to leave their religion and secular people to buy into a myth? Following a prophet who claims he got revelations would also be a religious prejudice? When you write off religious tolerance you are off to a bad start for a plan for world peace?

And again, if people believe revelations are real, no matter how many times a prophet says he is the last, a new charming speaker will get people to believe new revelations were needed. Then you will have 2 religions and a lot of angry people in the 1st.
If you cannot put critical thinking first you will be left with that problem.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What solutions?

You ask, but let's be fair, I do not think you really want to hear them, but to be fair I will test the waters, you may surprise me!

"Instruments and means of human destruction have enormously multiplied in this era of material civilization. But if material civilization shall become organized in conjunction with divine civilization, if the man of moral integrity and intellectual acumen shall unite for human betterment and uplift with the man of spiritual capacity, the happiness and progress of the human race will be assured. All the nations of the world will then be closely related and companionable, and the religions will merge into one, for the divine reality within them all is one reality. Abraham proclaimed this reality; Jesus promulgated it; all the Prophets who have appeared in the world have founded Their teachings upon it. Therefore, the people of the world have this one true, unchangeable basis for peace and agreement, and war, which has raged for thousands of years, will pass away. – Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 102.

This one of thousands of points, it's a good starting point. We need to foster our Divinity.

There are many Material actions that have been offered as well.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

We are neither Socialists nor Capitalists, there is a new race of men, building new financial ideals.

"Certainly, some being enormously rich and others lamentably poor, an organization is necessary to control and improve this state of affairs. It is important to limit riches, as it is also of importance to limit poverty. Either extreme is not good. To be seated in the mean is most desirable. If it be right for a capitalist to possess a large fortune, it is equally just that his workman should have a sufficient means of existence." – Abdu’l-Baha, Paris Talks

Regards Tony

That quote reeks of socialism, but perhaps you don't understand what socialism is.

 

[joelr]

You ask, but let's be fair, I do not think you really want to hear them, but to be fair I will test the waters, you may surprise me!

"Instruments and means of human destruction have enormously multiplied in this era of material civilization. But if material civilization shall become organized in conjunction with divine civilization, if the man of moral integrity and intellectual acumen shall unite for human betterment and uplift with the man of spiritual capacity, the happiness and progress of the human race will be assured. All the nations of the world will then be closely related and companionable, and the religions will merge into one, for the divine reality within them all is one reality. Abraham proclaimed this reality; Jesus promulgated it; all the Prophets who have appeared in the world have founded Their teachings upon it. Therefore, the people of the world have this one true, unchangeable basis for peace and agreement, and war, which has raged for thousands of years, will pass away. – Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 102.

This one of thousands of points, it's a good starting point. We need to foster our Divinity.

There are many Material actions that have been offered as well.

Regards Tony

That isn't even true. Jesus said you be a Christian or he will shun you to the Father. Eternal fire for non-belief.
This just sounds like another religious evangelist who wants everyone to join his religion. Are you prepared to actually merge religions and meet each version half way (even that won't happen)? Or are you assuming they only follow Bahai scripture?

Why do you think war will pass away? If you don't teach rational and skeptical thought and make it a priority than a charismatic, high IQ, sociopath will realize they can easily manipulate the world by claiming revelations and being convincing, prolific, smarter than average and then you have a new sect. Who may not agree with everything. This person could talk about science and completely blunder the entire thing and still be considered a prophet. People won't even blink. They will find vague allusions to future events or science in vague predictions and call him a prophet.
Islam is rapidly growing and they are particularly easy to get very fired up at the idea they are not the one true. I listen to Mohammed Hijab youtube channel and debates sometimes. They are very serious and the apologetics are deeply ingrained. Listen to him debate David Wood on the trinity. They are not converting.Never. The only way out is the members who see it's not real through skeptical enquiry.
The Bahai man also said humans are different from animals, evolution isn't right and tanked on a lot of science so I don't think any of that is true.

 

[rational experiences]

The law above stated each time men did nuclear technology ice the saviour body of small cell biology was sacrificed.

With it the heavenly spirits gas body also gets removed. As ice kept it cooled.

Theme void vacuum after sun attack one way out above leaving burning in space on the outside earths gas cold protection.

So star mass gain direct increased burning mass above.

We knew.

So men took the body mass above away. Life nearly as all genesis exited as all nature.

Even out of earths mass water with microbiology left. Leaving sin K holes the living body of god earth.

We knew.

We promised no technology. We were too mind changed to remember anyway. Mutated. Man's image above in regained new cloud amassing saved us.

Just a teaching.

Men by machines had given our water life to cloud manifestation.

So they evolved mind. Remembered. Rebuilt temple sciences. Did it again.

We taught ice saviour body was healing being reborn being returned...as were cold gases above to year 2012. Never practice nuclear technology the promise.

So when the star attacked again. Jesus was seen above again in clouds by cross.

I've seen cloud images photographed depicting the same event.

Showing the holy cloud mass above is leaving cloud mass above protection as was ice.

Suddenly earths ice mass gets colder. Reason is underground mass removed becomes colder. More space opens. Zero peace.

As the machine is leaving earth as mass. Seen as UFO phenomena. Scientists even knew.

We were told to leave it in the body of earth.

The state of peace by the body of gods son above and below spirit gas was a scientific accounted termed teaching only.

Our human behaviour is only our own choice.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That isn't even true. Jesus said you be a Christian or he will shun you to the Father. Eternal fire for non-belief.
This just sounds like another religious evangelist who wants everyone to join his religion. Are you prepared to actually merge religions and meet each version half way (even that won't happen)? Or are you assuming they only follow Bahai scripture?

I see that people will come to realise there is only One God, the God of all Names and Attributes, just as the scriptures are saying.

It is only a change in one's frame of reference, that makes that a possibility. It's a battle with one's own self. This is the fundamental requirement that God gives us in each age. The choice between what God gives us via the Messengers, or our own versions of it.

We have been advised and we have been warned of the consequences of rejecting God and following our own desires.

Of course, all IMHO.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Why do you think war will pass away? If you don't teach rational and skeptical thought and make it a priority than a charismatic, high IQ, sociopath will realize they can easily manipulate the world by claiming revelations and being convincing, prolific, smarter than average and then you have a new sect. Who may not agree with everything. This person could talk about science and completely blunder the entire thing and still be considered a prophet. People won't even blink. They will find vague allusions to future events or science in vague predictions and call him a prophet.

I think it is logical to conclude that the more we educate all humanity equally, both male and female, that intelligent, educated, scientific and religious persons will conclude that war has no purpose.

I see people will embrace the fact we are One human race, living on one planet that requires us to maintain a balance between the material and the divine aspect of life.

In the end they will be able to apply justice and recognise the fraudulent people, as the self serving and criminal elements will greatly diminish.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Bahai man also said humans are different from animals, evolution isn't right and tanked on a lot of science so I don't think any of that is true.

That is not what is found in the Baha'i Writings, it is evolution as a species.

The series of explanations on what has been offered is found here.

Some Answered Questions | Bahá’í Reference Library

An extract.

"...In like manner, from the beginning of man’s existence on this planet until he assumed his present shape, form, and condition, a long time must have elapsed, and he must have traversed many stages before reaching his present condition. But from the beginning of his existence man has been a distinct species. This is similar to the embryo of man in the womb of the mother: It possesses at first a strange appearance; then this body passes from shape to shape and from form to form until it appears in the utmost beauty and perfection. But even when it possesses, in the womb of the mother, a strange form entirely different from its present shape and appearance, it is the embryo of a distinct species and not of an animal: The essence of the species and the innate reality undergo no transformation at all...."

The Baha'i Writings have not tanked science. There is a harmony to be found between science and religion.

When war ceases, when humanity embraces a unity of purpose, and minds turn towards the common good, science will greatly advance.

Science has really just be born, it is part of our evolution as the human species and our capacity of rational consciousness. So science has centuries ahead of it to get out of childhood, move on into adolescence, before it becomes an adult and then on to maturity.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That quote reeks of socialism, but perhaps you don't understand what socialism is.

Perhaps you are not aware of what else is offered to support a capitalist balance.

As offered our view is not of either extremity, it is a balance.

Regards Tony