He couldn’t handle TWO PEOPLE. THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO EXISTED.
The story of Adam and Eve is highly symbolic.
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He couldn’t handle TWO PEOPLE. THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO EXISTED.
Here's a little bit of the things I found about Krishna in the Baha'i writings. The quotes mentioning Zoroaster and Buddha are also interesting.I will leave that up to you CG, all the best in that search.
Regards Tony
It's just this "abrogation" thing. It's as if the social laws given in one religion, in one area, in one culture, would no longer apply. How do you make the Laws of Moses work in the religions that came before it? Then Buddha came after Moses, so what social laws did Buddha brings that should have replaced the social laws of the Hebrew Bible?Yes, but God renews them applicable to each age. Part of the law is acceptance of God's Covenants and the Major Covenant is that God never leaves us without guidance.
So the Jew, in light of the Covenants, is now required to practice the Law as given in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas. In the time of Muhammad the Jew would have fulfilled the Covenants by embracing Muhammad and the Law given in the Quran.
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Or highly mythical? I know that implies that the story is man-made. Is that the problem Baha'is have with calling some of these stories... myth? Whereas, by calling the stories symbolic, Baha'is can still say they came from God?The story of Adam and Eve is highly symbolic.
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Here's a little bit of the things I found about Krishna in the Baha'i writings. The quotes mentioning Zoroaster and Buddha are also interesting.
12. As regards your study of the Hindu religion: The origins of this and many other religions that abound in India are not quite known to us, and even the Orientalists and the students of religion are not in complete accord about the results of their investigations in that field. The Bahá'í writings also do not refer specifically to any of these forms of religion current in India. So, the Guardian feels it impossible to give you any definite and detailed information on that subject. He would urge you, however, to carry on your studies in that field, although its immensity is wellnigh bewildering, with the view of bringing the Message to the Hindus. The task of converting this section of the Indian population is a most vital obligation, although the Guardian is fully aware of the many difficulties that it presents. Nevertheless the friends should do their best to make as many converts among the Hindus as they possibly can.So, the Zorastrian writings aren't authentic. Nor what the Buddhists have. And Baha'is can't be sure of any of the Scriptures except the Quran. Here's one more thing.
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi - 17 April 1936)
17. Your question concerning Brahma and Krishna: such matters, as no reference occurs to them in the Teachings, are left for students of history and religion to resolve and clarify.
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi - 14 April 1941)
18. Zoroaster lived about a thousand years before Christ. There is no exact date in the teachings regarding the beginning of His Dispensation. The personages in Zenda-Avesta cannot be absolutely relied upon, as the Avesta is not to be regarded as the authentic compilation of the writings of the Prophet.
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi - 30 July 1941 to a National Committee and an individual believer)
19. Confucius was not a Prophet. It is quite correct to say he is the founder of a moral system and a great reformer. The Buddha was a Manifestation of God, like Christ, but His followers do not possess His authentic writings.
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi - 26 December 1941 to the National Spiritual Assembly of Australia and New) Zealand)
20. In the Bahá'í teachings it states that all the Prophets have foretold a Promised One Who is Bahá'u'lláh. We cannot be sure of the authenticity, word for word, of any of the past Holy Scriptures except the Quran, as they were either not written down during the Prophet's lifetime or have been changed in the course of time and the originals lost; what we can be sure of is that when Bahá'u'lláh or the Master stated that Zoroaster foretold a Promised One's coming, it is correct. The Zoroastrians have no way of contradicting this assertion of ours, as they themselves know their scriptures are not in the original form, and therefore not absolutely authentic.
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi - 22 June 1943)
25. As there were no followers of The Báb or Bahá'u'lláh derived from the religions of the Far East in Their days, this may be the reason that They did not address any Tablets directly to these people. Also we must remember that every religion springs from some root, and just as Christianity sprang from Judaism, our own religion sprang from Islam, and that is why so many of the teachings deduce their proofs from Islam.
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi - 5 March 1957)
The Baha'i Faith didn't "spring" from just Islam. They "sprang" from all of them. At least that is what Baha'is claim with their concept of progressive revelation.
It's just this "abrogation" thing. It's as if the social laws given in one religion, in one area, in one culture, would no longer apply. How do you make the Laws of Moses work in the religions that came before it? Then Buddha came after Moses, so what social laws did Buddha brings that should have replaced the social laws of the Hebrew Bible?
Or highly mythical? I know that implies that the story is man-made. Is that the problem Baha'is have with calling some of these stories... myth? Whereas, by calling the stories symbolic, Baha'is can still say they came from God?
How effective were they the first time?
When the turmoil gets so bad that things look as if there is no hope, who do Baha'is say the world will turn to? After the lessor peace has been going on for a while, what will be the final, necessary steps for the world to achieve the Most Great Peace?
Again, the Bible and the NT are being thought of as one thing. Judaism has their beliefs about what the Messianic age will be like, and the Christians have their beliefs about the new Earth and new Jerusalem that will come down from heaven when Jesus returns.Consider what metephor the Bible offers when it is written that we will have a 'New Heaven' and a 'New Earth' at the end of an age. That all things are made new.
In the Baha'i communities, how well are these new laws working? What is the fruit of these new laws? Is there still lying, cheating, adultery, and all the other evils that plague society still happening within the Baha'i community? Are Is the behavior of Baha'is significantly different than non-Baha'is? If not, what is the fruit of the message?What that is, is the new Message and the New Laws that are the fruit of that Message.
I don't think there is a strong enough connection between the different religions to even think that they a progression of teachings about one God and from one God. So, I think it's something that we should "dwell" on to see if this belief and teaching of the Baha'i Faith is true.Abrogation for me is that new start. We do not have to dwell on the changes required in the past, our aim is for the future.
And why would an all-knowing God let the people of the world go their own way? Especially when the stories in so many religions, like Judaism, have God intervening to guide them and almost force them to follow and obey his laws.God has allowed the world to go its own way and so it does. Baha’is keep appealing that there’s a better way but the world rejects it.
If that works for you, fine. And I can see why Baha'is wouldn't want to "dwell" on it.
And prior to the Baha'i Faith, which religion should the people of the world follow?
And why would an all-knowing God let the people of the world go their own way? Especially when the stories in so many religions, like Judaism, have God intervening to guide them and almost force them to follow and obey his laws.
And prior to the Baha'i Faith, which religion should the people of the world follow? According to Baha'i beliefs, are any of them are going in the right direction? Do any of them have the right beliefs and practices? Yet, all those religions "appealed" and exhorted the people of the world to believe and follow their teachings, their wrong teachings.
The largest religion, Christianity, compared to what Baha'is say is true, are one of the furthest religions from the truth... with their belief in the Trinity and in Satan and in their beliefs about salvation. Yet... they appeal like crazy. "Come to Jesus all you sinners and be saved! Don't be deceived by Satan. Jesus is the only way!" Should their interpretations of the Bible and the NT be rejected? I would think that most all Baha'is would say "yes"... that those beliefs are wrong... that those Christians have taken the Scriptures too literal and have added in their own wrong interpretations. So, "no", appeals from religions about there being a better way isn't always true and should be rejected.
Now the question is... why believe the Baha'i Faith is any different? The basic things like, "Okay, you say your prophet was sent by God, prove it. And while you're at it prove there is a God," These are important and legitimate questions. Because, even Baha'is, don't believe many of the things taught as being true in the other religions. We need proof and evidence. And that's where even Baha'is are stuck and can only say, "Well, I believe", "I take it on faith" or "I researched it and I'm convinced it is true." And then you're asked, "What is it that convinced you?" And, to them, the answer is always, "That is not proof. That is subjective not objective evidence."
So, we continue asking the same types of questions and we get the same types of answers. But there is one important thing going on... It is the way Baha'is answer. Is it with respect and humility? Not always. Unfortunately, some Baha'is sound almost like a radical fundamentalist, that believes they are the only one that knows the truth. That never comes off right. It almost always does nothing but push people away. If Baha'is really do have the truth, I think they have to be the ones that find ways to build bridges and help bring people together.
In the Baha'i communities, how well are these new laws working? What is the fruit of these new laws? Is there still lying, cheating, adultery, and all the other evils that plague society still happening within the Baha'i community? Are Is the behavior of Baha'is significantly different than non-Baha'is? If not, what is the fruit of the message?
I don't think there is a strong enough connection between the different religions to even think that they a progression of teachings about one God and from one God. So, I think it's something that we should "dwell" on to see if this belief and teaching of the Baha'i Faith is true.
You really think Islam had the teachings and the beliefs that the whole world needed? Christians, Jews and all the people that believed in all the other religions should have accepted Islam?Babi Faith and prior to that Islam.
Regards Tony
Let's just look at the Christian Scriptures, the NT. I don't see anywhere that it supports any other religion other than Judaism, and Christians veered a long way away from Judaism. Satan, hell, and salvation seems to be what it's all about. They connect their Scriptures onto the Hebrew Bible, but they don't follow it.It’s their scriptures.
Okay, what other religion, other than the Baha'i Faith, do Baha'is believe to be teaching and practicing the truth from God? I don't think Baha'is believe any of them have the truth, are teaching the truth, and are practicing the truth. Am I wrong?You keep saying that the Baha’is are telling other religions they have it wrong.
You really think Islam had the teachings and the beliefs that the whole world needed? Christians, Jews and all the people that believed in all the other religions should have accepted Islam?