Why I believe America will soon lose its democracy.

[Wildswanderer]

You are one of the people that threaten the future of democracy because you accept this nonsense even though it has been debunked by republicans. If you watched the hearings and listened to the testimony of the Republicans you would understand that you accepted a lie spread by Trump and his conspirators.

Debunked? It was bragged about publicly.
I'm not talking about election fraud.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What a crock. The last election was stolen by the left suppressing information.

This is why the OP may be right.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If you believe in that, I must assume that you have a very distant, flexible, loose relationship with truth and facts.

The Polling Company surveyed 1,750 Biden voters in seven swing states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Six of these states (all except North Carolina) have been called for Biden. The poll found that a whopping 82 percent of Biden voters were unaware of at least one of the news stories, while only five percent said they did not know about all eight.

One out of every six Biden voters (17 percent) said they would not have voted for the Democrat had they known the facts about one or more of these news stories.

The poll raised these eight news stories: Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden; Joe Biden’s involvement in the Hunter Biden corruption scandal; Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) getting rated the most leftist senator; 33 percent GDP growth in the third quarter of 2020; 11.1 million jobs created from June 5 to October 2; the Middle East peace deals with Israel that led to three Nobel Peace Prize nominations for Trump; U.S. energy independence; and Trump’s successes with Operation Warp Speed in fighting the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic.

The legacy media’s decision to bury Biden’s scandals had the strongest impact on the election, according to the poll. More than one-third of Biden voters (35.4 percent) said they were unaware of Tara Reade’s serious allegations that Biden sexually assaulted her in the 1990s, a story the legacy media effectively buried. A full 8.9 percent of Biden voters said they would have changed their vote — either to Trump, to a third-party candidate, not voting for a presidential candidate, or not voting at all, if they had known about the Reade allegations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Debunked? It was bragged about publicly.
I'm not talking about election fraud.

How was the election stolen. What misinformation? How was it bragged about?

 

[Wildswanderer]

A broken record with nothing sounding like a good or new tune. Ever get tired of the same ole same ole?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are talking about election fraud and have no idea what I'm actually talking about.

 

[Suave]

I've said this in many threads, that my observations tell me that the Great American Experiment with democracy is, in the past few years and continuing for the next few, failing -- and that democracy is likely to soon be "in name only," and eventually disappear. But let me tell you why I think this is true. And it really is the simplest reason of all:

When a nation (or a very significant proportion of it) becomes convinced that they can't trust their own elections -- as the Trump "Big Lie" seems to have done for a huge number of people -- that when it doesn't go their way it can only be because it was "stolen" from them, well, what is left except violence to decide who gets to rule?

You're almost there, America. How are you going to find your way back to a real democracy, "a Republic, if you can keep it?"

I predict the U.S. will expand voting rights and become more democratic. I am guessing most Americans soon would agree with the enfranchisement of non citizen workers having a vote for how their tax payments should be distributed and how their working conditions should be regulated. Also, I am confident most felons will someday soon become eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes should very well help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.

If the U.S. were to allow our migrant workers to vote, we would even be more democratic than Canada where voting may be restricted to citizens,

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Polling Company surveyed 1,750 Biden voters in seven swing states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Six of these states (all except North Carolina) have been called for Biden. The poll found that a whopping 82 percent of Biden voters were unaware of at least one of the news stories, while only five percent said they did not know about all eight.

One out of every six Biden voters (17 percent) said they would not have voted for the Democrat had they known the facts about one or more of these news stories.

The poll raised these eight news stories: Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden; Joe Biden’s involvement in the Hunter Biden corruption scandal; Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) getting rated the most leftist senator; 33 percent GDP growth in the third quarter of 2020; 11.1 million jobs created from June 5 to October 2; the Middle East peace deals with Israel that led to three Nobel Peace Prize nominations for Trump; U.S. energy independence; and Trump’s successes with Operation Warp Speed in fighting the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic.

The legacy media’s decision to bury Biden’s scandals had the strongest impact on the election, according to the poll. More than one-third of Biden voters (35.4 percent) said they were unaware of Tara Reade’s serious allegations that Biden sexually assaulted her in the 1990s, a story the legacy media effectively buried. A full 8.9 percent of Biden voters said they would have changed their vote — either to Trump, to a third-party candidate, not voting for a presidential candidate, or not voting at all, if they had known about the Reade allegations.

So far the Hinter Biden "scandal" has less support than the claims that Trump colluded with Russia. By even bringing that up to you tell us that your source probably lied to people. A survey based upon falsehoods by the survey takers is worthless.



Is that all that you have? Stories that were misinterpreted by people on your side and a certain percentage of gullible people falling for it?

 

[Wildswanderer]

How was the election stolen. What misinformation? How was it bragged about?

Are you serious? Hunter Biden's name ring a bell?

 

[Wildswanderer]

So far the Hinter Biden "scandal" has less support than the claims that Trump colluded with Russia. By even bringing that up to you tell us that your source probably lied to people. A survey based upon falsehoods by the survey takers is worthless.



Is that all that you have? Stories that were misinterpreted by people on your side and a certain percentage of gullible people falling for it?

The fact that legitimate news was suppressed in order to win an election means nothing to you?

 

[F1fan]

Hardly. The Reps are the ones trying to suppress the vote, trying to gerrymander the states, and trying to overturn elections. They already have a concerted plan to dominate election boards and overturn any results they don't like.

It is people like the person you quoted who has willful blindness to what the Reps are doing that is the zombie army against democracy. Many MAGAs literally think Democrats are evil, and anything to get them out of political position is a moral and righteous act. To cheat is justifiable because Democrats threaten America (an actual quote of a MAGA on this forum).

 

[Viker]

The fact that legitimate news was suppressed in order to win an election means nothing to you?

Sources?

 

[The Hammer]

What a crock. The last election was stolen by the left suppressing information.

Uhmm..... Ok

 

[dybmh]

What a crock. The last election was stolen by the left suppressing information.

Post-election lawsuits related to the 2020 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you serious? Hunter Biden's name ring a bell?

I am fully aware of that.

You need to be consistent. If you are going to claim that the Russian collusion was nonsense, then since there is even less evidence for Hunter cheating you have to deny that too. After all Hunter never openly said that he would cheat given a chance.

 

[Revoltingest]

 

[Subduction Zone]

The fact that legitimate news was suppressed in order to win an election means nothing to you?

What "legitimate news" was suppressed? Lets' go over them one at a time.

For example if you are going to complain about Kamala Harris then you have to own up to Pence being so conservative that it makes one's brain hurt. People that studied politics knew this. They were not suppressed.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Polling Company surveyed 1,750 Biden voters in seven swing states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Six of these states (all except North Carolina) have been called for Biden. The poll found that a whopping 82 percent of Biden voters were unaware of at least one of the news stories, while only five percent said they did not know about all eight.

One out of every six Biden voters (17 percent) said they would not have voted for the Democrat had they known the facts about one or more of these news stories.

The poll raised these eight news stories: Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden; Joe Biden’s involvement in the Hunter Biden corruption scandal; Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) getting rated the most leftist senator; 33 percent GDP growth in the third quarter of 2020; 11.1 million jobs created from June 5 to October 2; the Middle East peace deals with Israel that led to three Nobel Peace Prize nominations for Trump; U.S. energy independence; and Trump’s successes with Operation Warp Speed in fighting the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic.

The legacy media’s decision to bury Biden’s scandals had the strongest impact on the election, according to the poll. More than one-third of Biden voters (35.4 percent) said they were unaware of Tara Reade’s serious allegations that Biden sexually assaulted her in the 1990s, a story the legacy media effectively buried. A full 8.9 percent of Biden voters said they would have changed their vote — either to Trump, to a third-party candidate, not voting for a presidential candidate, or not voting at all, if they had known about the Reade allegations.

Are you trying to prove my point, then?

If you think that you are convincing, you are just setting yourself up for a very rude awakening at some future time.

 

[F1fan]

What "legitimate news" was suppressed? Lets' go over them one at a time.

He thinks right wing disinformation is news. And as far as the woman that accused Biden of sexual assault, that went nowhere. Plus it's hypocritical because Trump himself has 26 accusations of sexual assault, and is known to to have paid to have sex with porn stars while cheating on his wife. So, double standard to the extreme.

For example if you are going to complain about Kamala Harris then you have to own up to Pence being so conservative that it makes one's brain hurt. People that studied politics knew this. They were not suppressed.

Harris does not seem that progressive to me. At most she is a strong advocate for women and minorities, but this advocacy seems to be working to push back on the mysogyny and racism of the Republicans.

Now before the resident MAGAs point to the token women and minorities who are Republican, these are anomalies, not the norm. The norm Republican is white male.

 

[Kenny]

The main question I have is what form the collapse will take.

One possibility is a civil war, possibly at a low intensity. that could easily lead to military rule.

The other possibility is a one party state that has 'elections' that it has manipulated to the point that they always win. This seems the more likely possibility.

Don't forget that the emperors of ancient Rome kept the Senate around for form while actually ruling with an iron fist.

Another possibility is the Convention of States.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The main question I have is what form the collapse will take.

One possibility is a civil war, possibly at a low intensity. that could easily lead to military rule.

The other possibility is a one party state that has 'elections' that it has manipulated to the point that they always win. This seems the more likely possibility.

Don't forget that the emperors of ancient Rome kept the Senate around for form while actually ruling with an iron fist.

It could be a conflict against America that gives the incentive for Americans to work together again as one nation.

Regards Tony