mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
What do you mean by that?
BTW, the UK has 1/7th the homicide rate that we have in the States.
"Has it right" is a value distinction and not a fact.
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What do you mean by that?
BTW, the UK has 1/7th the homicide rate that we have in the States.
But it is an opinion that is easily reached by looking at the facts.Well, no, not in my subjective opinion and not as a fact.
Well, I'll repeat what was quoted from another thread:this is not a good reason to not protect kids in the short term. Also, I am not talking about a fortress. There are schools that have armed security guards in the school today. They are not prisons. Using hyperbole is not an argument. What other solution is there to stop an attack next fall?
this may be true but what I care about now is protecting the kids next school year. We can talk about this after we protect our kids.
But it is an opinion that is easily reached by looking at the facts.
this is not a good reason to not protect kids in the short term. Also, I am not talking about a fortress. There are schools that have armed security guards in the school today. They are not prisons. Using hyperbole is not an argument. What other solution is there to stop an attack next fall?
this may be true but what I care about now is protecting the kids next school year. We can talk about this after we protect our kids.
But it is an opinion that is easily reached by looking at the facts.
What is the compromise to protect the children next school year? I see no other way to do it. What is your proposal?No, in practice you need a comprise. Some sort of your position and some sort of their position. As long as the sides both play my road or the high road, you all won't get anywhere.
This has been states as being false.This doesn't work. The recent school shooting proved this.
The resource officer confronted the shooter before entering a classroom, the officer did nothing.
Police sat outside the school while the shooter was murdering children for an hour.
I am not talking about a resource officer but a trained police officer. This argument makes no sense to me. Your view is you would rater have a shooter have no resistance at the school and then wait for a police officer to show up minutes later that may or may not do anything. Most police officers will act, you see this every day. I would rather have someone at the school that is trained and willing to engage these shooters to protect the kids over having to wait minutes while a shooter shoots our kids.The Parkland school massacre was another example of a do-nothing resource officer.
What is the compromise to protect the children next school year? I see no other way to do it. What is your proposal?
This has been states as being false.
I am not talking about a resource officer but a trained police officer. This argument makes no sense to me. Your view is you would rater have a shooter have no resistance at the school and then wait for a police officer to show up minutes later that may or may not do anything. Most police officers will act, you see this every day. I would rather have someone at the school that is trained and willing to engage these shooters to protect the kids over having to wait minutes while a shooter shoots our kids.
This is why I say trained officers.Yes, but for that to work you need officers, who can do this. Forget his political bend and focus on the actual point.
If you don't get it, we can go through it as per standard military tactics, because that is what it boils down to.
This is why I say trained officers.
This report has been confirmed to be false.There was an armed security guard at that school but he didn't confront the shooter. It probably was because a pistol is not likely to win over a person with an AR-!% and wearing body armor.
This is my point. Enact any law you want today and it will not stop a shooter next school year.Well, don't tell the FBI as we have here in the States 120 guns per 100 people, and that's insane.
This report has been confirmed to be false.
This is my point. Enact any law you want today and it will not stop a shooter next school year.
I agree we need other methods to stop these shooting in the future. I am not saying that armed guards are the long term solution or that it will prevent any attempts. It will better protect our kids at school in the short term. But what are we going to do this coming school year?Well, I'll repeat what was quoted from another thread:
Research has shown that boosting security at schools with armed security, metal detectors, and reducing access to buildings has little to no effect on the likelihood of a school shooting when compared to more preventative and early intervention measures. Though security companies have lunged at the opportunity to outfit schools, educators worry the effort and money diverted to additional security measures would take away from proven methods of preventing mass shootings, including mental health counseling.
What does this mean practically?It didn't work in Texas. We need more hardened schools and more police. We need it everywhere, because if we only plug one hole, they will find another. We need to harden the country.
What does this mean practically?
I agree it is hard. You can find lots of stories where people sacrifice put themselves in harms way.. If we don't try to find people willing to do it then what? We just let shooters kill our children?Okay, listen, make the law. But make sure that you pick the right people to do it.
Here is your problem. There is no ideal situation for which the shooter acts according to plan.
So you and I, because we have to be in a pair, are now caught in a sub-par situation and now we charge. We run towards the sound of gunfire, well knowing that we are in pair because one of us has to draw fire and hope the other one gets the shooter.
We are warriors and the way of the warrior is death. Can you do that? I doubt I can do it anymore and I was trained to do it in general as a soldier. You are not defending your own life. You are giving your life to defend other life.
This is not a Hollywood movie. It is real life and your plan rests on that you can actually find people, who can do that?!!
This is why we need trained guards at the schools, at least two. To engage before they get in. If a school is properly secured the shooter will have to engage a police officer prior to getting in. Why is this ok for airports but not our schools?It took the police one hour to act in the recent shooting.
Even if they did engage him. How does that mean we should let them walk in freely to shoot our children? Why do you resist armed police at schools but not at the airport or the Grammy's?That one is maybe still up in the air. There are conflicting reports of that.
Yes, I caught this last night, but thanks for the heads-up anyway.This report has been confirmed to be false.
So, all you are saying is that we just have to live with mass shootings and do nothing. Sorry, but the research says otherwise.This is my point. Enact any law you want today and it will not stop a shooter next school year.