Lets solve the school shooting problem

[Mock Turtle]

Do you see armed security guards at banks and airports going on killing spree's?

Probably not, but some have actually turned on the ones they are supposed to be protecting. But the main issue is that it is just an escalating game that has no winners - given that any firepower might be what causes any defences to fail.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It is not that it is different as such. But for a certain type of attacker it won't stop them. They are not rational in that sense.

I agree. But a police officer with a gun needs to come to stop it, why not have them at the school already? If we cannot stop them from going to a school to shoot kids then we should have people at the school to stop them.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It is a good outcome. But let's not pretend it is a solution. If you want to actually solve the problem you need to address the source of the problem: guns are readily available to almost anyone in the USA.

This is untrue. There are restrictions on guns that are common sense. We can solve a long term problem with legislation and enforcement etc. But no other solution will protect our kids ASAP as putting professional police officers in the schools. How do we protect our kids the next school year with gun laws?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I agree. But a police officer with a gun needs to come to stop it, why not have them at the school already? If we cannot stop them from going to a school to shoot kids then we should have people at the school to stop them.

Yeah and somebody posted a case where it didn't work.
Further you are only in a sense moving the problem to several others - school buses, outdoor activates, bombs and diversey actions. Properly more.
Yes, it will help but the problem remains. So go for because it helps somewhat.

 

[Nakosis]

There are just under 100,000 public schools in the United States. If we had an average of 2 paid trained federal police officers at each school at a cost of $100,000 a piece for training, wages and benefits. We would need $20 billion per year. This is peanuts. In the US budget we have a line item for retooling manufacture facilities of $27B. I say we find the $20B in our budget and add an average of 2 federal trained armed police officers at each school in America.

Why would this be a bad idea? We could pass strong gun laws tomorrow but that will not stop a shooter going into our schools any time soon. We could have trained professional security guards in our schools in months. This is a common sense solution since we will never be able to stop a person from obtaining an illegal gun and shooting kids.

At my grandkids school, no body is getting on campus that doesn't belong there. To pick up your kid from school you need to display a placard with your kids names on in in your wind shield then wait in a long line of parents to pick them up. They have one teacher with a walkie-talkie to notify the teachers inside that you're here to pick up our kids. Then the teachers escort the kids to your car, open the doors and place your kids in their car seat.

Maybe a little prison like but I feel a lot more secure about their safety.

At this stage, I don't think gun bans or additional restrictions with do much to prevent these shootings. However it might, so I'm certainly not against any such reasonable laws. Though I think the real answer is increasing security at the schools, I see no reason we can't do both.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

There is no short term solution though.

Yes there is. Put armed police officers in the schools to stop these killers. How is this not better than doing nothing short term?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Probably not, but some have actually turned on the ones they are supposed to be protecting. But the main issue is that it is just an escalating game that has no winners - given that any firepower might be what causes any defences to fail.

You seem to think doing nothing and letting our kids be killed by a shooter that is not challenged until police arrive is a bad thing. No gun law will stop a shooter next fall to kill our children. It is unacceptable to not put armed police in the schools to stop them when they arrive. How are our children more safe by not putting armed police in the schools over not putting them in our schools? Almost all guards will not kill the people they are protecting.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Yeah and somebody posted a case where it didn't work.
Further you are only in a sense moving the problem to several others - school buses, outdoor activates, bombs and diversey actions. Properly more.
Yes, it will help but the problem remains. So go for because it helps somewhat.

This is all I am saying. I am not saying it is a long-term solution. If it does not work, why do we have armed police at airports and banks etc.?

 

[Mock Turtle]

You seem to think doing nothing and letting our kids be killed by a shooter that is not challenged until police arrive is a bad thing. No gun law will stop a shooter next fall to kill our children. It is unacceptable to not put armed police in the schools to stop them when they arrive. How are our children more safe by not putting armed police in the schools over not putting them in our schools? Almost all guards will not kill the people they are protecting.

There is a solution but many don't like it - get rid of all the non-essential guns. Like in many other civilised countries.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

At my grandkids school, no body is getting on campus that doesn't belong there. To pick up your kid from school you need to display a placard with your kids names on in in your wind shield then wait in a long line of parents to pick them up. They have one teacher with a walkie-talkie to notify the teachers inside that you're here to pick up our kids. Then the teachers escort the kids to your car, open the doors and place your kids in their car seat.

Maybe a little prison like but I feel a lot more secure about their safety.

At this stage, I don't think gun bans or additional restrictions with do much to prevent these shootings. However it might, so I'm certainly not against any such reasonable laws. Though I think the real answer is increasing security at the schools, I see no reason we can't do both.

I agree.

 

[Koldo]

Yes there is. Put armed police officers in the schools to stop these killers. How is this not better than doing nothing short term?

A solution solves the problem. What you are proposing doesn't solve the problem: it alleviates the problem when it works. My main concern is that you are portraying it as a solution.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

There is a solution but many don't like it - get rid of all the non-essential guns. Like in many other civilised countries.

Ok, but how will that protect our kids next fall? There is over 400 million guns in America. How do you get rid of them by next fall?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This is all I am saying. I am not saying it is a long-term solution. If it does not work, why do we have armed police at airports and banks etc.?

Because e.g. terrorists and bank robbers are more rational? They do the crime elsewhere.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

A solution solves the problem. What you are proposing doesn't solve the problem: it alleviates the problem when it works. My main concern is that you are portraying it as a solution.

I have portrayed it as a short term solution not a long term solution. What is your idea to stop a shooting this coming fall?

 

[Nakosis]

A solution solves the problem. What you are proposing doesn't solve the problem: it alleviates the problem when it works. My main concern is that you are portraying it as a solution.

IMO, what you're proposing, isn't going to happen. Not in America. Been trying to get the government for years to deal with gun violence. Whatever the reason it hasn't happen. Don't expect it to change anytime soon. You keep hoping for the federal government to fix the problem. If it does, great. Will it actually solve the problem? IDK, maybe. I wish you luck in getting your solution in place, just not a believer it'll happen.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Ok, but how will that protect our kids next fall? There is over 400 million guns in America. How do you get rid of them by next fall?

You start the process - given that doing so will take a long time. But I think that just arming and/or protecting those who might be vulnerable to such attacks isn't any long-term solution, given any who wish to target the innocent might find other ways. I don't know about this particular incident but many of these attackers do seem to want to cause the most grief to the most people, and hence why they choose the youngest, most vulnerable, and usually, the most loved, given that this will impact so many. So the children are not usually hated but used as a proxy to get at others. One only has to look at such incidents around the world, since violence by guns is not the only method used. But guns do tend to make it much easier.

 

[Altfish]

My question to you is if we institute strict gun laws today, how will that prevent a school shooting in September?

It will take time, guns will have to be (say) registered, etc.
But it will correct itself over time.
Why is every car driver licensed but gun owners aren't?

This is an insane comment. I would rather have a shootout between a killer and a police officer than a killer freely left alone to kill any child they want. What are you thinking?

Insane, only if you are part of the gun lobby. Sensible and progressive to everyone else. In particular to the parents of the dead kids.

 

[dybmh]

What should we do to stop the next shooting?

Armed guards. Metal detectors at every entrance. Lock all the doors while school is in session. Secure it like an airport.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

IMO, what you're proposing, isn't going to happen. Not in America. Been trying to get the government for years to deal with gun violence. Whatever the reason it hasn't happen. Don't expect it to change anytime soon. You keep hoping for the federal government to fix the problem. If it does, great. Will it actually solve the problem? IDK, maybe. I wish you luck in getting your solution in place, just not a believer it'll happen.

Well it is an uphill battle since both parties cannot work together. I am going to start at my local ISD. I am going to the next board meeting to ask them to fund these police officers and a make a case. I downloaded the budget for the district and can see where we can fund the officers. It should be a higher priority other things.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You start the process - given that doing so will take a long time. But I think that just arming and/or protecting those who might be vulnerable to such attacks isn't any long-term solution, given any who wish to target the innocent might find other ways. I don't know about this particular incident but many of these attackers do seem to want to cause the most grief to the most people, and hence why they choose the youngest, most vulnerable, and usually, the most loved, given that this will impact so many. So the children are not usually hated but used as a proxy to get at others. One only has to look at such incidents around the world, since violence by guns is not the only method used. But guns do tend to make it much easier.

I never said it was a long term solution. But I want a solution to better prevent another shooting this fall. Gun laws are not the answer for that.