Just the fact that you disagree with other Muslims on these issues proves my point.
This is not true since despite clear proofs and insights, humans due to sorcery from Iblis often make unclear what is clear.
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Just the fact that you disagree with other Muslims on these issues proves my point.
Please give the verse that speaks of the 12 imams.
ALLAH'S FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE:
Allah's failure to communicate wasn't complete. Afterall, the Qur'an contains 6,236 verses, so it stands to reason that some topics are adequately covered. For example, many hundreds of verses are dedicated to reiterating that unbelief is evil and those who practice it (i.e.: non-Muslims) are deservedly Hell-bound. The necessity of fighting is not in doubt. Female captives can clearly be used for sex. The fact that Allah has no equals, and is responsible for the creation of the universe is repeatedly stated. More mundane matters such as inheritance, rules for divorce, the number of wives a man may have, and just when to beat one's wife are clearly delineated.
However, the Qur'an is more notable for what it does not clarify. If dogs and music are haram, as some, but not all Muslims believe, why not just say so? Exactly how much of her body is a woman required to cover? Why was there no process given to choose Mohamed's successor? Are people created from clay or a blood clot? Mountains are up-thrusts created by plate tectonics, so why does Allah say they are "placed", which implies they are separate from their surroundings? But to me, all of that pales in comparison to one fact - that hadiths and tafsirs are apparently necessary for Muslims to really figure out what Allah wants. If, as He frequently states, His sign are "clear", and that he has "perfected for you your religion of Islam", why on earth would it be necessary for all of the additional, and frequently conflicting, 'clarification'?
An argument could be made that hadiths are relevant to the extent that they give actual examples of how Mohamed lived by what he preached. But, when they are further used to create policy, rather than exemplify it, as in the case of some declaring that dogs and music are haram, they overstep. Tafsirs are worse. They are blatant attempts to speak for Allah. The very fact that Islamic scholarship even exists for the obviously necessary purpose of clarification proves that Allah failed to get his wishes across. How is that logical given Allah's 'perfection'?
To me the answer is obvious. The Qur'an was created on an ad hoc basis by Mohamed depending on what 'Allah' happened to need on any given day. No 'perfect' deity would have created such a mess. An honest and objective reading of it could not bring a person to any other conclusion.
"Settle in your homes, and do not display yourselves as women did in the days of ˹pre-Islamic˺ ignorance. Establish prayer, pay alms-tax, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only intends to keep ˹the causes of˺ evil away from you and purify you completely, O members of the ˹Prophet’s˺ family!" 33:33
Family of Prophet, according to Hadithes are the Imams after Muhammad.
"And, indeed, We have adorned the lowest heaven (the heaven of the world) with lamps (stars), and made (out of) them missiles to drive away devils; and for them, We have prepared (in the Hereafter) the punishment of the Blaze." 67:5
According to Hadithes, the stars, here is a metaphor for the 12 Imams.
"It is He who has sent down to you the Book. Parts of it are definitive verses, which are the mother of the Book, while others are metaphorical. As for those in whose hearts is deviance, they pursue what is metaphorical in it, courting temptation and courting its interpretation. But no one knows its interpretation except Allah and those firmly grounded in knowledge; they say, ‘We believe in it; all of it is from our Lord.’ And none takes admonition except those who possess intellect" 3:7
According to Hadithes those who are firmly in knowledge are the 12 Imams.
Would not Ali 'Imran verse 3:7 gives us something to consider?
"It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muḥammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific.1 As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allāh. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."
It that not a test of Faith? Where are we going to choose our interpretation, from God or our own selves.
This teaches humility.
Regards Tony
To not see emphasis on the Twelve Imams is to miss the forest and ask for a tree.
How do we know that God communicated the Qur'an (or any bible)?
Afraid to question God, most don't even think about these things. In the past, questioners would be put to death or injured. This is common to all religions, not just the Muslim faith.
If I wanted to create a phony religion, the first thing that I would do is take away the ability to question.
This is not true since despite clear proofs and insights, humans due to sorcery from Iblis often make unclear what is clear.
If the underlined is true, that only makes it worse. The Qur'an, according to Allah, is easy to understand. But, wait .... not all of it. Like I said, it's a mess that no self-respecting deity would ever put his name to.
If you consider the possibility that, the Quran is really Book of God, can He not reveal a Book and also provide its interpretation by inspiring the Prophet and Imams, so, They tell its interpretation? Why not?Do you not realize that every time you say, "according to hadiths", you are reinforcing my claim that the Qur'an falls well short of telling you what you need to know despite the fact that it is supposed to define Islam in its entirety?
Because Books of God is not to just say things straight forward and literal. They are written in a way that people "discover" truth in it, rather than they being told easily! Only if we make an effort, we discover more. Discovering happens through thinking about its verses, but with the intention of discovering truth, free from love and hate feelings. This is why, for example 12 Imams are not mentioned explicitly, rather they are mentioned using metaphorical verses, those verses that no one knows its interpretation except God. Likewise the Quran says the Bible describes about Muhammad, but when we look at the Bible, we do not see it easily, unless we see the metaphorical verses which talks about voice of God from mount Paran as allusions to Muhammad.If the underlined is true, that only makes it worse. The Qur'an, according to Allah, is easy to understand. But, wait .... not all of it. Like I said, it's a mess that no self-respecting deity would ever put his name to.
If you consider the possibility that, the Quran is really Book of God, can He not reveal a Book and also provide its interpretation by inspiring the Prophet and Imams, so, They tell its interpretation? Why not?
Because Books of God is not to just say things straight forward and literal.
They are written in a way that people "discover" truth in it, rather than they being told easily! Only if we make an effort, we discover more. Discovering happens through thinking about its verses, but with the intention of discovering truth, free from love and hate feelings. This is why, for example 12 Imams are not mentioned explicitly, rather they are mentioned using metaphorical verses, those verses that no one knows its interpretation except God. Likewise the Quran says the Bible describes about Muhammad, but when we look at the Bible, we do not see it easily, unless we see the metaphorical verses which talks about voice of God from mount Paran as allusions to Muhammad.
These unclear verses are meant to discover future guidance so, for example verses of Day of Resurrection in Quran are really about a future guidance, because the Resurrection is a spiritual awakening, which is a new guidance, but, to most people it appears as if the Book is talking about a physical resurrection!
Allah's failure to communicate wasn't complete. Afterall, the Qur'an contains 6,236 verses, so it stands to reason that some topics are adequately covered. For example, many hundreds of verses are dedicated to reiterating that unbelief is evil and those who practice it (i.e.: non-Muslims) are deservedly Hell-bound.
However, the Qur'an is more notable for what it does not clarify. If dogs and music are haram, as some, but not all Muslims believe, why not just say so?
An argument could be made that hadiths are relevant to the extent that they give actual examples of how Mohamed lived by what he preached.
My stake is positive support of Mythology.
So what's your stake in this? Anger? Resentment?
That is Allah telling Muhammad to just listen to Jibril reciting verses and not try to understand them, and that Allah will then explain to Muhammad what the verses mean.
There is nothing about the emboldened bit in the Quran. You just tagged that on yourself.when verses of Quran are revealed their explanations comes from God, through Muhammad and the 12 Imams.
So you admit that there are no actual references to "the 12 imams" in the Quran. You are just taking references to other things and claiming (without any evidence) that it refers to them. You claims are rejected by the majority of Islamic scholars."Settle in your homes, and do not display yourselves as women did in the days of ˹pre-Islamic˺ ignorance. Establish prayer, pay alms-tax, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only intends to keep ˹the causes of˺ evil away from you and purify you completely, O members of the ˹Prophet’s˺ family!" 33:33
Family of Prophet, according to Hadithes are the Imams after Muhammad.
"And, indeed, We have adorned the lowest heaven (the heaven of the world) with lamps (stars), and made (out of) them missiles to drive away devils; and for them, We have prepared (in the Hereafter) the punishment of the Blaze." 67:5
According to Hadithes, the stars, here is a metaphor for the 12 Imams.
"It is He who has sent down to you the Book. Parts of it are definitive verses, which are the mother of the Book, while others are metaphorical. As for those in whose hearts is deviance, they pursue what is metaphorical in it, courting temptation and courting its interpretation. But no one knows its interpretation except Allah and those firmly grounded in knowledge; they say, ‘We believe in it; all of it is from our Lord.’ And none takes admonition except those who possess intellect" 3:7
According to Hadithes those who are firmly in knowledge are the 12 Imams.
That's quite a damning indictment of religious belief.Would not Ali 'Imran verse 3:7 gives us something to consider?
"It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muḥammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific.1 As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allāh. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding."
It that not a test of Faith? Where are we going to choose our interpretation, from God or our own selves.
This teaches humility.
Firstly, there is no consensus over what the Quran means. Different sects have different ideas, and different scholars within those sects have further different ideas.If you consider the possibility that, the Quran is really Book of God, can He not reveal a Book and also provide its interpretation by inspiring the Prophet and Imams, so, They tell its interpretation? Why not?