Is the Religious Right in America gunning for you?

[Subduction Zone]

It's actually dominated by red states and cities. Even the California cities on this list tend to vote Republican.
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Hey!! don't confuse us with facts

 

[Wildswanderer]

Well, the fun thing is that it does work. But not when you bring ideology into it.
But you should know this, because you have look at all of the world and checked several sources.

Exactly, that's why I know we need a better vaccine, by looking at what is actually happening to people, not what we are fed by the news.

 

[GardenLady]

Force them to register guns

[Eyeroll] (1) How's that well-regulated militia cited in the Constitution working for you? (2) The Founders couldn't imagine the kind of firepower now (unfortunately) available to civilians.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

[Eyeroll] (1) How's that well-regulated militia cited in the Constitution working for you? (2) The Founders couldn't imagine the kind of firepower now (unfortunately) available to civilians.

Unfortunately it seems reading comprehension is as low as scientific literacy and they apparently don't know what "well regulated militia" means.

 

[GardenLady]

NPR article, quote from a book by a historian. Link below.

"It was in response to the concerns coming out of the Virginia ratification convention for the Constitution, led by Patrick Henry and George Mason, that a militia that was controlled solely by the federal government would not be there to protect the slave owners from an enslaved uprising. And ... James Madison crafted that language in order to mollify the concerns coming out of Virginia and the anti-Federalists, that they would still have full control over their state militias — and those militias were used in order to quell slave revolts. ... The Second Amendment really provided the cover, the assurances that Patrick Henry and George Mason needed, that the militias would not be controlled by the federal government, but that they would be controlled by the states and at the beck and call of the states to be able to put down these uprisings."

Historian Uncovers The Racist Roots Of The 2nd Amendment

 

[InChrist]

But if they didn't have knowledge of right and wrong they couldn't have known.
It was an unfair design from the start, doomed to failed, and yet the Religious Right speaks of this as though the judge was righteous and that the design was fair and we failed. But how can we fail when Adam and Eve knew nothing of good and evil and this omniscient god would have necessarily known the end result of his arrangement.

You are correct that God being omniscient would have known the outcome. So then the question is, “What was the point?” If God already knows everything, it must have been for humans to learn something. I think that any being that has the power of choice that is less than God, will make less than godly, perfect choices. By allowing humans the power of choice which we must have in order to know God, in order to love God, and to love one another, the door was opened to the possibility of sin and evil.

Although He knew they would sin, it wasn’t God’s desire that Adam and Eve should sin and you could say that he gave Adam and Eve the very easiest command that He could possibly give them. Just avoid one tree. His desire was that they would choose love and trust. The reason that He gave the commandment was not to entice them into evil, but to reveal the fact that humanity following their own desires apart from God’s wisdom were capable of evil.

 

[Sheldon]

Exactly, that's why I know we need a better vaccine, by looking at what is actually happening to people, not what we are fed by the news.

What? I though you decided unilaterally that vaccines didn't work? Let me guess only certain vaccines, right? With no medical evidence to support your bias, right?

 

[InChrist]

Like those who are against needle exchange programs. You cannot love thy neighbor and care for the least among yourselves if you are against needle exchange programs. They reduce disease transmissions, they reduce death, they help identify addicts and get them treatment, and they help keep dirty needles off the streets which is a great thing for all.
The Religious Right Christians, however, oppose these quite strongly and promote their nonsense that it's promoting drug use and abuse and will do all harm and no good. That's bearing false witness, something they aren't supposed to do.
Amd what's with this discrimination thing they claim to have a right to? Jesus did not discriminate during his Ministry. That's not saying he approved of sin or was ok with people doing it, but he certainly lacked a "no gays" policy. He didn't say certain sinners aren't allowed. Where do they get off on saying it's their right to discriminate when their religion explicitly prohibits them from judging others?

Jesus did not discriminate. He loved all sinners equally sharing love and truth with people, setting them free, telling them to go and sin no more. If He was harsh to anyone it was the religious hypocrites.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What? I though you decided unilaterally that vaccines didn't work? Let me guess only certain vaccines, right? With no medical evidence to support your bias, right?

When did I say no vaccine worked? Apparently you don't actually read what I write only what you think I mean.

 

[Wildswanderer]

[Eyeroll] (1) How's that well-regulated militia cited in the Constitution working for you? (2) The Founders couldn't imagine the kind of firepower now (unfortunately) available to civilians.

It's working fine. What isn't working is being soft on crime.

 

[Sheldon]

When did I say no vaccine worked? Apparently you don't actually read what I write only what you think I mean.

So what are your qualifications for determining unilaterally that one vaccine does not work?

 

[Revoltingest]

NPR article, quote from a book by a historian. Link below.

"It was in response to the concerns coming out of the Virginia ratification convention for the Constitution, led by Patrick Henry and George Mason, that a militia that was controlled solely by the federal government would not be there to protect the slave owners from an enslaved uprising. And ... James Madison crafted that language in order to mollify the concerns coming out of Virginia and the anti-Federalists, that they would still have full control over their state militias — and those militias were used in order to quell slave revolts. ... The Second Amendment really provided the cover, the assurances that Patrick Henry and George Mason needed, that the militias would not be controlled by the federal government, but that they would be controlled by the states and at the beck and call of the states to be able to put down these uprisings."

Historian Uncovers The Racist Roots Of The 2nd Amendment

Good old NPR...always working to portray the 2nd
Amendment as being solely about enforcing slavery.
It's a way to tarnish the Amendment & the right of
gun ownership....without making any real argument
against it.
Other historians see it originating in Roman & British
Elizabethan times. And certainly the Bill Of Rights was
written by people very familiar with the recent revolution,
and with Indian wars.

But let's say that the origin of something being in slavery
is significant. Would this apply to the Democratic Party,
which was actually formed to support slavery?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Exactly, that's why I know we need a better vaccine, by looking at what is actually happening to people, not what we are fed by the news.

They are still trying for a "better vaccine". Meanwhile the ones that we have do work. You only keep demonstrating that you do not understand what vaccines do.

In your mind, what does a working vaccine do? By the way, if you cannot support your claims properly then you have only proven that you do not "know" which I am sure is the case, you only believe.

 

[Wildswanderer]

They are still trying for a "better vaccine". Meanwhile the ones that we have do work. You only keep demonstrating that you do not understand what vaccines do.

In your mind, what does a working vaccine do? By the way, if you cannot support your claims properly then you have only proven that you do not "know" which I am sure is the case, you only believe.

If I took a polio vaccine and still got polio I would not be impressed.
In this case it's happening to millions of people. Why do people keep defending an inefficient vaccine? Do they have some emotional attachment to it?

 

[Wildswanderer]

So what are your qualifications for determining unilaterally that one vaccine does not work?

I have eyes.

 

[Sand Dancer]

As you're sane and nonviolent I'm not aware of many Dems coming for your guns. But the Religious Right is gunning to hack and slash at the civil rights and liberties of many (including atheists), merge the church and state, and force us all the live in accordance to their religious dogma. They don't want gays to get married, they want trans people to transition, they want Christian prayer and nothing else everywhere they can get it, and they want their beliefs to govern us. That's who they are, and they do see it as personal because they do view everyone (even other Christians) who aren't like them as fundamentally flawed in character and inherently Hellbound. We add in the abuse to LGBT youth, attaching church attendance and belief in Jesus as a condition of receiving charity, publicly shaming and condemning people for harmless and victimless behavior they perceive as sinful (this has been a thorn and detriment to some businesses), and the many and numerous lies they use to get their way in legislation (like attaching pedophilia to homosexuality and sexual predators to transgenders and promoting the dangerous "conversion therapy," along with the numerous errors and mistakes the promote as facts about abortion) we can say they really aren't good people. And I can say with confidence as a former one of them, they do not respect others. Maybe they're bar isn't high enough to be "evil," but their behavior is intentional and deliberate and the ends are malicious and destructive.

I wonder if they still teach that abortions cause breast cancer.

 

[Sand Dancer]

To be good moral people who don't need a government safety net.

Is it immoral to be poor or immoral behavior that causes poverty? Things happen sometimes.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Is it immoral to be poor or immoral behavior that causes poverty? Things happen sometimes.

I wasn't implying that morality and self reliance are the same thing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's working fine. What isn't working is being soft on crime.

Gunning for the least off among us. Being hard on crime has no scientific support.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wasn't implying that morality and self reliance are the same thing.

Then how are you defining good moral people who dont need a government safety net? What is good morality? What is a government safety net? What is the correlation between the two?
Amd we are social animals. This means inherently we rely and depend on others, and our chances of survival and our personal health are enhanced through mutual cooperation.