questfortruth
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Please do not modify my proof to make it sound stupid. OK?
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Proof of Jesus on Omniscience
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questfortruth
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I can not see it. There is no problem. The only "problem" is what God made me genius.
1. If God exists, He knows about it.
2. God knows all, hence God exists for real.
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1. If Santa exists, he knows about it.
2. Santa knows all (he keeps lists), hence Santa exists for real.
I wonder if Bigfoot knows all? That would be cool.
2. Santa knows all (he keeps lists), hence Santa exists for real.
I wonder if Bigfoot knows all? That would be cool.
However, I find that God chooses Not to know everything.
For example please notice God does Not know the exact number of the great crowd of people of Revelation 7:9,14.
Because the great crowd is made up of an un-numbered amount of people, thus the number is Not yet known.
Because God gifts his creation with the ability to make free-willed choices shows God does Not know everything.
Sure God knows that humble meek people will inherit the Earth but as to who make up that number is still unknown.
rational experiences
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The meek don't inherit the earth unless the meek become their own human Hero.
Notified by life's sacrifice.
As a teaching of causes. Is the teaching advice.
Don't listen to satanist science the warning. Christians advised took action based on advice.
You aren't meant to be life Sacrificed.
It is fake.
After the event wells went dry. Sciences event.
Earth never owned wells. Men dig wells. Earth owned underground water tables.
The pyramid owned the well. It's pump pumped water over the encased pressurized science building. Underground reacting. Water cooled.
The pump mechanism failed and the pyramid well cooling went dry. Said by review the assessed reason why. The casement blew off. As the well pump could not keep up with atmospheric evaporation.
Meltdown.
Evaporation heavens took over as no man is God. No human controlled pressures or earths heavens was the answer.
Notified by life's sacrifice.
As a teaching of causes. Is the teaching advice.
Don't listen to satanist science the warning. Christians advised took action based on advice.
You aren't meant to be life Sacrificed.
It is fake.
After the event wells went dry. Sciences event.
Earth never owned wells. Men dig wells. Earth owned underground water tables.
The pyramid owned the well. It's pump pumped water over the encased pressurized science building. Underground reacting. Water cooled.
The pump mechanism failed and the pyramid well cooling went dry. Said by review the assessed reason why. The casement blew off. As the well pump could not keep up with atmospheric evaporation.
Meltdown.
Evaporation heavens took over as no man is God. No human controlled pressures or earths heavens was the answer.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
There are a couple of ways to look at this. Technically, it was Pilate who had Yeshua crucified. But, given Yahweh's alleged omniscience and omnipotence, you might say the Father Murdered the Son. Then you might say the Jews had Yeshua crucified. However, Satan had no hand in the death of Yeshua, in fact, Satan doesn't even hurt anyone in the Christian bible, whereas Yahweh is a bloodthirsty, jealous, murderer.
1 Chronicles 21
-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people
Deuteronomy 3
-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value
Joshua 6
-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses”
-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead
2 Kings 10:18-27
God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!
Judges 21:10-24
God has an entire town killed and the virgins repeatedly raped, and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.
Numbers 31:7-18
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men . . . Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house . . . After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife."
In total God kills 371,186 people directly
Satan - 0
questfortruth
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Do not modify my proof to make it look stupid. OK?
questfortruth
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It is an old song: "satan is good, God is evil. That is why God does not exist."
Happens both: total, absolute, full knowledge, and non-knowledge: "Father, why you have left Me" (to my memory, Jesus).
Do not modify my proof to make it look stupid. OK?
SA Huguenot
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Allow me to explain your reasoning.
First, you assume that God can eliminate all evil.
However, this assumption is one made up and not an attribute to YHWH in Biblical description.
You see, Evil is not some stain that can be washed off one's mind or spirit.
Evil is the opposit of Gods perfection in being sinless.
God is at one with this situation that NO Sin and NO Evil can appear in His presence.
If any sin gets in God's presence, it is as if a firy reaction takes place and Evil and Sin simply sets alight, so to say.
Therefore to assume that God is now a non omniscent being, because He can not eliminate sin, is a human falicy.
The same with Death.
God did not create death, but it was Lucifer who acchieved in Adam loosing his physical immortal body, and gained a corrupt one that ages with time and eventually die.
Death is the abscence of the life giving force of the Spirit of God.
Death is where God is not present. Does this mean God is not Omnipresent?
No, but it means that the sinfull spirit will be in Hell where even there God's presence will burn the sinfull spirit.
This means that if Man taints his spirit, he condemned himself, not God!
Thats why God came in the form of a man to accept a new body washed with the spiritual blood of Christ, to cover the sins the newly born Christian to be able to appear in the presence of God with no consequences to their physical bodies.
manmade equations never worked for me once I took time to think of the attributes of God.
SA Huguenot
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Nope.
The rightfull inherritors of the Tanakh is the Christian.
The first Christians were Jewish people, Just as Jesus was a Jew.
They believed in the Old Testament, and the religion of Christianity was found upon the Old Testament.
Remember that the first Christians did not have a New testament for about 20years after Jesus asscended into heaven.
They used the Old Testament to understand who Jesus was, and why He was God.
The Thinking that the Christians have the New Testament, and the Jews the Old Testament is an incorrect viewpoint from Islam due to Muhammad not knowing what the Injill (New Testament) and Torah, and Zabur (Psalms) was.
Muhammad simply assumed that Christians received a revelation from God called the New Testament just as he claimed Allah revealed the Quran to him.
Unfortunately for him, he never knew the historical facts of Jesus and the Apostles.
SA Huguenot
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I always find that the Islamic sects loves to give these "Atrocities" as evidence that the God of the Bible is some bloodthirsty murderer.
It is eazy to do such a superficial claim, but one heck of a difficuilt thing once the facts on every point is verified on why God acted in such a way.
For instance, If God acted against a religion that burned their children to the god Moloch, the critisizer will say, " God killed inocent people."
If God leaves people to sin, the Critisizer will say: "God is not omnipotent because He dont remove sin"
Well, let me make you aware of your actions!
You are an Idolator for one simple reason!
You want to create your own God!
A god that is constructed to the way you want to reason him into existance.
Not the God who created everything, eventually revealed Himself to Moses and Israel, or the God who decided to send His Mind (Word) to become a Man, to die like a Man, to be ressurected as an immortal Man, as the first of us who will be saved by His example.
Any other God is an iddol, and if you want to change the God of the Bible, it is not the one I believe in.
Your demise, not mine.
SA Huguenot
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If you have the skill to explain verses from the Bible, you will never find that Satan is GOOD.
On the contrary, YHWH learns that Satan was a murderer right from the start, he made Man to age and die!
The price for sin is death!
This is what Satan did, and why YHWH will hold him accountable!
What the Bible hater is doing is to use skills to change facts such as the above.
questfortruth
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At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses[ a] and was about to kill him.
Exodus 4: 24-26
Can you imagine, that loving Jesus has made a plot to harm most great Prophet?
No. It was satan, not Jesus. Because there are two gods in Bible under word god.
SA Huguenot
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Mmm, if one takes the scant historical archaeology of 2000 years ago, it is also very easy to disprove any of the critisizim you mention.
But, why dont you read some other viewpoints too:
For instance.
https://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/census-luke2.html
How can the Bible be correct (in The Gospel According to Luke, chapter 2, verse 2) when claiming that the great census decreed by Rome’s Caesar Augustus about the time of Jesus' birth circa 4-5 B.C. occurred “when Quirinius was governor” if Quirinius (or Cyrenius) didn't even become governor until the year 6 A.D.?! Isn't this a clear case of the Bible being in error on matters of history?
Sensible Solution
No so fast. Critics used this text for many years to make their case for a Bible that is unreliable. But no more. Today, there are a number of reasons for giving Luke the benefit of the doubt. Over and over (in references to 32 countries, 54 cities, and 9 islands) the doctor has proven himself to be a reliable historian, as demonstrated by famed scholar and archaeologist, Sir William Ramsey.
See ChristianAnswers' Web Bible Encyclopedia: What is a census?
To date, the only census documented outside the Bible near this time under Quirinius is the one referred to by the historian Josephus (Antiquities XVIII, 26 [ii.1], which he says took place in 6 A.D.
But notice that Luke 2:2 says that the census taken around the time Joseph and Mary went down to Bethlehem was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. This implies that there was a later census--most likely the one referred to by Josephus--which Dr. Luke would have also certainly known about.
There is good reason to believe that Quirinius was actually twice in a position of command (the Greek expression hegemoneuo in Luke 2:2 which is often translated “governor” really just means “to be leading” or “in charge of”) over the province of Syria, which included Judea as a political subdivision. The first time would have been when he was leading military action against the Homonadensians during the period between 12 and 2 B.C. His title may even have been “military governor.”
A Latin inscription discovered in 1764 adds weight to the idea that Quirinius was in a position of authority in Syria on two separate occasions. There was definitely a taxing during this time and therefore, quite possible, an associated census, the details of which may have been common knowledge in Luke's time, but are now lost to us.
Scholars have advanced a number of other altogether viable explanations which would allow Luke's record (and therefore the Bible) to continue to be regarded as 100% trustworthy.
Spirit of Light
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You left out 99%of the text in your reply?
Of course if you pick just one line you can read anything into it, but it does not mean you have the full understanding of what it actually means.
questfortruth
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When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched
Genesis 32:25
Can you imagine, the the Jesus the healer of the sick, has made His chosen Jacob the cripple.
It is dangerous to loose health 2500 years ago. It was satan, not Jesus. There are two gods in Bible.
You could start by explaining to me how Jesus fits with the Jewish concept of a messiah, and how come his followers are the most notorious antisemites in history.
Spirit of Light
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Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.
The highlighted part is your take on the whole verse
questfortruth
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Under word God can be meant either satan or Jesus. There are two gods in Bible.