lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
I think that staff member was just in a bad mode today. Or maybe they think they are better than us common folk. I think you can disagree with someone without calling them or their comment stupid.
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Televangelist Marcus Lamb Who Called Vaccine Mandate 'Sin' Against God Dies Of COVID
- Thread starter Wandering Monk
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's a good point but I'd like to point out there were no exterior restrictions, lockdowns, destruction of people's businesses, loss of jobs by design, limits on personal movement, forbidden religious assembly among others.
It was just a requirement for attending a school.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
You have to consider that a virus with a high survival rate and a high infection rate can kill more people than a low survival rate but is less infectious.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't disagree but what I do disagree with is the draconian measures being taken that destroy just as much as the virus itself is doing.
Shadow11
Member
The reason for the restrictions is not the death rate it about the load on the medical system - it really is that simple. No beds you don't get treated - a lot of people have survived due to medical treatment or more people would be dead. Lots of people want to do the math on how many died to justify no restrictions when it has nothing to do with deaths its all about the load on the medical systems. When restrictions are in place and people follow them less people get infected at once easing the load on the hospitals.If everyone had followed them maybe this would of been all over with but that's not possible with people.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
But this is your argument as I read it:
1. The virus has a high survivability rate.
2. The measures being taken to mitigate the impact impact people's spiritual, economic, and freedom to move, all based on being able to congregate publicly.
Therefore, high survivability means that the measures being taken are not worth the risk due to high survivability.
But that isn't taking into account the high infection rate and the impact on hospitals and long term problems with people's health.
The balance that governments have to take in managing a virus that, due to its high infection rate and impact on hospitals and long term health impact (which also leads to economic problems), requires reducing public congregations and/or widespread masking and vaccination or facing the consequences of a high percentage of deaths (relatively), hospitalizations, and people unable to function due to long term impacts while still maintaining some economic stability and the mental health of the population.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
By destroying people's businesses, by destroying people's jobs and means of support, wreaking lives all over saving some hospital beds.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Better safety features in cars, healthier food and education on health, anti-smoking campaigns and vaccines are better than doing nothing. We can reduce the numbers at least.
ecco
Veteran Member
In other words, a mandate.
There was no necessity for lockdowns because parents gladly got their children vaccinated. Remember, those were the days before FaceBook encouraged false conspiracy theories.
You still haven't addressed how "Covid is ... being used politically for governments to implement greater control over the lives of people".
- What does "the government" gain by shutting down businesses?
- What does "the government" gain by insisting that airline passengers be vaccinated?
Shadow11
Member
Not hospital beds "lives" which are not important to you I see where you stand.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
It doesn't matter as far as free choice goes. My health is my responsibility, not the governments.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
More control.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
It's not a sin to get a vaccine. I'll bet he had his MMR,DPT, etc.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
There is a segment of American fundamentalism called the Health, Wealth, and Prosperity gospel. They seem to think that those are innate for believers and that to seek medical help is a refutation of that gospel, hence a sin.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Hospitals don't see it that way either. They only see $$$$ and couldn't care less if you can afford it or not.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Consolidation and getting rid of competition means more money for the big corporations.
Good for the portfolio.
Glad to share my paranoia.
InChrist
Free4ever
Yes, I was vaccinated against polio, but I don’t recall ever hearing of anyone being let go from their job for not being vaccinated... before covid, not to mention things like being refused entrance to restaurants, entertainment events, travel, etc. which various governments are aiming for with vaccine passports.
Thanks for the song lyrics. I am not fearful or paranoid, but I do like to be aware of what is taking place.
InChrist
Free4ever
Yeah, there is that segment, which I think clearly preaches a false gospel contrary to the biblical gospel.
InChrist
Free4ever
I agree it’s not a sin to get a vaccination, but I think it can be very foolish and risky. Sadly, for many it’s deadly or very damaging.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
The odds are far greater that not vaccinating is deadly or damaging. I'll go with the odds.