Why did God create homosexuality?

[Subduction Zone]

I agree with especially the last part. However, there seems to a biological component as well as life experiences involved. When I think of this further I'm not sure I'm not sure your position is that it is purely experiences that cause the development of homosexuality.

Wikipedia:

Although scientists favor biological models for the cause of sexual orientation,[6] they do not believe that the development of sexual orientation is the result of any one factor. They generally believe that it is determined by a complex interplay of biological and environmental factors, and is shaped at an early age.[4][7][8] There is considerably more evidence supporting nonsocial, biological causes of sexual orientation than social ones, especially for males.[10] There is no substantive evidence which suggests parenting or early childhood experiences play a role with regard to sexual orientation.[13] Scientists do not believe that sexual orientation is a choice.

The American Academy of Pediatrics stated in Pediatrics in 2004:

There is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation. Current knowledge suggests that sexual orientation is usually established during early childhood.[6][152]

The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and National Association of Social Workers stated in 2006:

Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual—including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the parents' sexual orientation. However, the available evidence indicates that the vast majority of lesbian and gay adults were raised by heterosexual parents and the vast majority of children raised by lesbian and gay parents eventually grow up to be heterosexual.[4]

"Gay genes"
Main article: Gay gene
Despite numerous attempts, no "gay gene" has been identified. However, there is substantial evidence for a genetic basis of homosexuality, especially in males, based on twin studies; some association with regions of Chromosome 8, the Xq28 locus on the X chromosome, and other sites across many chromosomes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

I believe God did create the conditions so homosexuality could exist. However, homosexual people, like everyone else, is tested by God. It's just that we are all tested in different ways.

Sorry, but how is homosexual behavior "immoral"? You need to justify your God's claims that it is immoral. 'Because God says so" just does not cut it.

 

[firedragon]

I am merely saying that questioning the hidden premises in the OP, as you have done, is pointless. Otherwise we might as well question all of them.

I did not question hidden premises. I was giving him a different logical argument. To question hidden premises, he does not have a conclusion or an argument, but a question.

And even if I did, its relevant to the topic. If you want to discuss what ever other stuff you wish to its not a problem, but its irrelevant. Hope you understand.

 

[firedragon]

There are a couple of reasons I think so. First of all he is Jewish, and indicates that he is able to marry. A Jewish man must marry if he is able. There are no exceptions from what I am told. Pro-creation is the mitzvo in the Pentateuch and the first command in the first chapter of the first book of it.

Thats correct. But there is no indication that Paul was married. And scholars largely believe he was never married and that's one of the arguments they use to state that the mythicists arguments about Christ who should have been married by 30 or whatever age is a must, is a false premise.

Also, I uploaded an image of the bible verse that's a little explicit.

Also I Corinthians 9:5 seems like a hint that Paul takes his wife with him as he travels, either him or Barnabas or both. Probably it is both. I presume that as young Jewish men they would have been betrothed from youth, but this comment adds weight to that idea. He compares marriage to food and drink, a necessity.

It doesnt say that. He is speaking generally. Anyway, this is an irrelevant topic. I just wanted to know your source of knowledge. Thanks for that.

Have a good day.

 

[Firelight]

Do you believe heterosexuals are 'born' that way? If so, do you remember when it was that you made a decision, chose to, be a heterosexual? Or did you go with what seemed to you to be your 'natural' sexuality.

I don’t believe heterosexuals are born that way.

 

[Koldo]

I did not question hidden premises. I was giving him a different logical argument. To question hidden premises, he does not have a conclusion or an argument, but a question.

And even if I did, its relevant to the topic. If you want to discuss what ever other stuff you wish to its not a problem, but its irrelevant. Hope you understand.

No, I don't understand. There are hidden premises in the question. For instance, one premise is that he presumes that God exists. Otherwise the question wouldn't make sense. Likewise, he also has a certain conception about what 'God' is and does.

Questioning the very fundamentals of his conception, rather than going along with it, is just like questioning God's very existence. Just as pertinent.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

A very large demography of gay people act in an antithetical way to what their gender dictates - effeminate boys, and butch girls. An extremely large, if not exclusive, contingency of cross-dressers are in the gay community.

Really? You know this how, exactly?

I'm gay. I've known literally thousands of gay people in my life -- and that is most assuredly NOT my lived experience.

Now, if you assume, as I suspect you do, that all the gay people out there live in the gay villages of major metropolises, I can see how you might reach that conclusion. But the fact is, we don't. The vast majority of us live and work in every community, everywhere.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don’t believe heterosexuals are born that way.

No? You mean they take lessons?

 

[firedragon]

No, I don't understand. There are hidden premises in the question. For instance, one premise is that he presumes that God exists. Otherwise the question wouldn't make sense. Likewise, he also has a certain conception about what 'God' is and does.

Questioning the very fundamentals of his conception, rather than going along with it, is just like questioning God's very existence. Just as pertinent.

K.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No? You mean they take lessons?

I guess that it is only fair. How often have you heard the accusation that schools are teaching children to be homosexual? I guess those homosexual lessons were interfering with the heterosexual ones.

How do you teach a girl to be a lesbian? Does one enroll them in an automobile maintenance class and limit their wardrobe to flannel shirts?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No? You mean they take lessons?

It's on our grade school curriculum. "How to become gay on a straight environment."

With cliff notes.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don’t believe heterosexuals are born that way.

How not?

That's like saying all humans have no sexual attraction. It's learned.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don’t believe homosexuals are born that way or that God creates them to be that way. I believe that through the process of human development and life experiences, same sex attraction/homosexuality can develop in a person.

What you believe on the subject is neither here nor there.

A lot of research has been (and is being) done on the relationship between biology and sexual orientation. And though scientists don’t know the exact cause of sexual orientation, they are pretty sure that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences. However, it is important to understand that the available hypotheses for the impact of the post-natal social environment on sexual orientation are weak, especially for males.

One of the things to take note of is this: so far as anybody can tell, homosexuality occurs at about the same rate among all humans, everywhere, and in any time period we are able to measure (or make reasonable guesses at). This, in itself, really does suggest a biological, rather than a social, origin.

The simple fact is that biological theories for explaining the causes of sexual orientation are favored by scientists. These factors, which may be related to the development of a sexual orientation, include genes, the early uterine environment (such as prenatal hormones), and brain structure.

 

[1213]

The Bible states that if a man lies with another man they should both be stoned to death. It's my belief that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice over who they're attracted to just like a heterosexual. If this is true why would God create homosexuals when he seems so opposed to their nature? I believe in the God of the Old Testament and believe that he is righteous but I'm confused by this. Did God create homosexuals purely to destroy them or is there something else going on? ...

I don't think God created any homosexuals. By what the Bible tells, God created Adam and Eve, rest are their offspring.

I believe all people, when they are adults, are somehow sexual beings, and it is similar to the need to eat and taste for food. How people fulfill the sexual need or desire depends on how they grow and what they learn to like.

Or what do you think, many people claim that some Catholic priests are pedophiles, because normal marriage was denied from them. Do you think they develop that desire, or are they born with it? Were they pedophiles when they were born?

 

[DNB]

Why? What is the harm in having sex with another man?

It's mentally unsound.

 

[DNB]

I am not talking about behavior. Straight people have same sex sex too. We choose who we want to go to bed with.

Sexuality does not always involve sex.

Homo/hetero/bi just refers to the sex of the other person in relation to who one is attracted to. It's a label. Nothing more.

What you're saying is not homosexuality.

Refrain from all sexual perversions: homosexual, promiscuity, swapping, role playing, toys, sodomy, extra-marital, adultery, fornication, lust, hedonism, etc...
Men should love their wives, and women their husbands, that's it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's mentally unsound.

How so? You need to find evidence to support this claim.

 

[DNB]

@DNB I'm actually calm and not accusative in this discussion. I just see you have the wrong definitions of homosexuality, and it's hard to discuss other views if you can't see it from a factual perspective not based on opinions.

UA, sorry, I'm not interested in semantics, we both know what we're talking about and what I am prohibiting - all sexual perversions. Lustful thoughts are just as egregious as the act itself, as far as what i am trying to promote - wholesome and healthy sexual practices, that should only take place between a hetero married couple.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think God created any homosexuals. By what the Bible tells, God created Adam and Eve, rest are their offspring.

I believe all people, when they are adults, are somehow sexual beings, and it is similar to the need to eat and taste for food. How people fulfill the sexual need or desire depends on how they grow and what they learn to like.

Or what do you think, many people claim that some Catholic priests are pedophiles, because normal marriage was denied from them. Do you think they develop that desire, or are they born with it? Were they pedophiles when they were born?

You should not bring known myths into the argument unless you are willing to admit that your beliefs are false.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Refrain from all sexual perversions: homosexual, promiscuity, swapping, role playing, toys, sodomy, extra-marital, adultery, fornication, lust, hedonism, etc...
Men should love their wives, and women their husbands, that's it.

That's not homosexuality.

Strict medical and scientific definition of the word (and heterosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality, sexual orientation, and sexuality itself) doesn't always involve sexual behavior and it definitely does not describe the nature of that behavior-lust, intimacy, or not.

Your definition is off, and all that you listed is totally irrelevant nor related to the term homosexuality (heterosexuality, bisexuality, and asexuality).

This is a fact not an opinion.

Homosexuality (hetero/bi/asexuality) just refers to the sex in relation to who one is attracted to or not attracted to.

Homo-same (attraction)
Hetero-opposite (attraction)
Bi-both (attraction)
A(sexual)-without (attraction)

 

[DNB]

Really? You know this how, exactly?

I'm gay. I've known literally thousands of gay people in my life -- and that is most assuredly NOT my lived experience.

Now, if you assume, as I suspect you do, that all the gay people out there live in the gay villages of major metropolises, I can see how you might reach that conclusion. But the fact is, we don't. The vast majority of us live and work in every community, everywhere.

Of course homosexuals live everywhere, and come in all shapes and sizes. But, my point was that where there is this bizarre character and behaviour that i mentioned, it is predominantly, if not exclusively, in the homosexual community. It is a very indicting fact. Just as much as where there fights in bars, it's typically the same type of bar or crowd that instigated the brawl. Where there is vulgar and crass speech, there is usually a promiscuous person behind it. etc...