SeekingAllTruth
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You have serious case of self-denial. All you can do is quote the Bible.You didn’t prove anything except quoting an opinion piece, read your own stuff.
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You have serious case of self-denial. All you can do is quote the Bible.You didn’t prove anything except quoting an opinion piece, read your own stuff.
Sad.Read Wikipedia and weep? Lol But now your comments are showing your original post was disingenuous. I have to laugh when I hear the “scholar” references.
Did your experts know Peter and the apostles? When did they do their study? Are they believers? Do they know God? No. Do you even consider that the supposed scholars and experts of Jesus day committed murder of the King of Kings? Quote the Bible, yes because they were eyewitnesses and wrote down what happened and the things God told them. I can imagine someone 1800 years from now trying to determine if I wrote the letters to my wife or not and you taking their opinions as fact.You have serious case of self-denial. All you can do is quote the Bible.
Elijah, I could quote you a hundred...thousand...100,000 reputable sources saying there were no eyewitnesses to the resurrection and you'd still insist there were. You know what we call that?Did your experts know Peter and the apostles? When did they do their study? Are they believers? Do they know God? No. Do you even consider that the supposed scholars and experts of Jesus day committed murder of the King of Kings? Quote the Bible, yes because they were eyewitnesses and wrote down what happened and the things God told them. I can imagine someone 1800 years from now trying to determine if I wrote the letters to my wife or not and you taking their opinions as fact.
Start quoting your reputable sources cause the ones on Wikipedia are not, they are from this generation and their own opinions. Other experts disagree with them. Also, when a person is born again the Holy Spirit bears witness to the truth of Scripture so your little monkey meme is a testament to your own spiritual blindness, spiritually dead and deaf. Where is Jesus? In Heaven ready to return, not in the grave. The true account is written and you’ll know soon enough.Elijah, I could quote you a hundred...thousand...100,000 reputable sources saying there were no eyewitnesses to the resurrection and you'd still insist there were. You know what we call that?
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No, I'm not going to quote 100 sources. It'd be a waste of time and energy with you. End of discussion.Start quoting your reputable sources cause the ones on Wikipedia are not, they are from this generation and their own opinions. Other experts disagree with them. Also, when a person is born again the Holy Spirit bears witness to the truth of Scripture so your little monkey meme is a testament to your own spiritual blindness, spiritually dead and deaf. Where is Jesus? In Heaven ready to return, not in the grave. The true account is written and you’ll know soon enough.
You said 100,000No, I'm not going to quote 100 sources. It'd be a waste of time and energy with you. End of discussion.
I am sorry that I did Not make myself clear to you.So why did this heavenly spirit body have holes in the hands? That part always made me laugh. Why have the body miraculously resurrected and leave holes? Not quite enough miracle juice to finish the job? And the idea that it was a different body with identical wounds makes even less sense.
I wonder which verse you have in mind that the disciples were prevented from recognizing resurrected Jesus_____Luke 24 tells us that the disciples were prevented from recognising Jesus, not that He appeared in different bodies.
Jesus said his 'sheep' would hear his voice.Yes. God should have known the precise amount of evidence it would take to convince the world his son was crucified for our sins. The fact he did NOT is evidenced by the fact that 2/3's of the world cannot believe in Jesus either. Their failure to believe is on God's shoulders, not theirs.
I am not all for it because I think it is a fantasy. Do you think it is good for people to believe in fantasies?If this utopian vision of the future gives a person comfort and solace in the midst of adversity then I am all for using it to get through tough times.
Thankfully, not all Christians still believe in the myth, now that we are a modern literate society.If you ever followed what happened after the death of Elvis you would be surprised at how many myths arose after he died. And that was with a modern literate society that had access to reliable sources. Think how quickly a myth could arise when those resources were not available.
Facts.Notice I didn't say, "I refuse to" The point is I cannot believe in it.
I watched a debate on the resurrection this morning. At some point, Matt Dillahunty came out and asked "Do you have anything outside the Bible to support the resurrection." Jonathan McLatchie answered. "NO."
That's it in a nutshell. All apologists--Craig, Licona, Horn, Woods, et al use nothing but the Bible to lay out their "evidence" Jesus rose. Claim: the apostles saw something that convinced them. Fact: There is no secular evidence anywhere outside the Bible that mentions the apostles. Claim: the empty tomb. Fact we have no empty tomb. Claim: the apostles were willing to die for their belief. Fact: we have nothing inside and outside the Bible that mentions what most of the apostles subsequently did or how they died. Claim: There were eyewitnesses. Fact: Nobody outside the Bible recorded a single thing about seeing Jesus after he was crucified.
Outrageous claim:
The historical evidence shows that: the grave was empty; the grave clothes were neatly left behind; the stone enclosing the tomb was rolled away; the body of Jesus was never found.
10 Concise Pieces of Evidence for the Resurrection - The Gospel Coalition | Canada
WHAT historical evidence????????
I mean in the link above it gets much MUCH worse than that.
Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
You know, Trailblazer, for me it's a difficult call. Life is hard enough without having something to believe in. Since we can't prove any of this stuff it boils down to how a person's beliefs help them to get through a pretty miserable life. Beliefs in something better are powerful motivators to go on.I am not all for it because I think it is a fantasy. Do you think it is good for people to believe in fantasies?
What is the greatest harm in holding a religious belief that is false?
No, that excuse will not be accepted by God, if the Bible had been the only scripture they were familiar with at the point of death.Is that what people are going to say when they meet their maker, “ There was no proof except in the Bible”?
What is the greatest harm in holding a religious belief that is false?You know, Trailblazer, for me it's a difficult call. Life is hard enough without having something to believe in. Since we can't prove any of this stuff it boils down to how a person's beliefs help them to get through a pretty miserable life. Beliefs in something better are powerful motivators to go on.
The thing is that you do not have to buy everything in the store, you can just pick what you need and go to the cash register and check out. You do not have to buy that Jesus was the son of god who died for our sins and then he rose from the dead and walked around town. The entire NT is not about that story. Besides that, of the NT was interpreted correctly, all they false beliefs about Jesus would go right out the window.You missed the entire point. I want to believe but I am not able to because the lack of evidence proves that Jesus, the son of god who died for our sins is a myth. There may have been a real Jesus but all the evidence says he died and that was the end of him.
Some people who believe in God believe it, but not all do.People who believe in God, obviously believe He can resurrect people, since He has the power to do it.