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Socialism under our nose.

mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Twilight Hue said:
I've been saying that for years now. A lot of people are bring duped into embracing socialism in spades. Ignorant of countries like Venezuela and Greece for instance.

I don't mind social govt programs like healthcare and of course schools, but the nanny state trend is dominating and has to go.
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What is a nanny state?
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Left Coast said:
This is a book arguing for the idea of a libertarian utopia. I've seen lots of that. Haven't seen it actually put into effect though. (As @Quintessence suggested, I would posit that's because it's unworkable in practical terms on any large scale, much like anarchocommunism).
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That is not the only problem. If you follow the link, is says that anarcho-capitalism will evolve in mini-statism. I agree, but it overlooks something.
In a libertarian mini-statism state all citizen are free to form their own companies. So just as the companies in anarcho-capitalism involved in base security, law and justice will evolve into a de facto state, insurance companies can do the same when you combine it with cooperatives.
How? You and your partners in a cooperative insurance company want to corner the marked for insurance. Remember it is voluntary and based on free trade. So if your group is large enough, you can do the following: Stop trading with everybody else for all trades if they are not a partner in your cooperative insurance company. If you are enough as a share of the marked, you effectively give the rest of the people a trade, they will take. How? They are worse off outside your cooperative insurance company, so they will join and voila, you have in effect a welfare state. :)
 
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pearl

Well-Known Member
Deo Vindice said:
Am I supposed to believe that the American people thought they had it too good and decided to trade in the best president they ever had for a commie puppet?.
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The 'commie puppet' is the looser we got rid of. With any luck he'll be on his way to jail.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Twilight Hue said:
I'm most concerned with personal and economic freedom.
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It tells me nothing, because there are no universal, objective, absolute, true, correct, proper and what not definitions of personal and economic freedom.

I have an idea based on your other posts, but I don't actually know how you define them or what you consider them as what are their ontological status.
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
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Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
Deo Vindice said:
My FB group has been discussing how socialism has been appearing and eroding the U.S., the stolen election being a prime example. Also the push for "universal healthcare". Of course, it's no coincidence that countries that have it are also repressive regimes. You can't be a free country with "free" medical coverage, as that is stealing from the tax payer. I was thinking about this and it made me realize how much socialist parasitism has been sitting right under our noses in America. Take fire departments, for example. Why should my tax dollars be used to put out someone else's house fire? It's not my fault that they were irresponsible. They should pay the fire department themselves (or there should be a form of insurance like medical) and if they can't afford it then a lost home is the consequence of being lazy. Maybe that's why fire trucks are the color red. When the land returns to the patriots privatizing the fire departments should be on the agenda.
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Did you know that part of the reason that the Jews were exiled in the 6th century BC was because of injustice when it came to how they treated the poor?
Socialism is better at helping the poor than the right wing and socialism is not communism. Many Christians are in the left of politics.
There are problems with both sides of politics and helping the poor is a problem in the right of politics. This is not because of Christian thinking, it seems to be because of other philosophical considerations and a love of money.
But don't think that the Government will take over our individual responsibility to the poor, who will be with us always even with socialism in Government.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Deo Vindice said:
My FB group has been discussing how socialism has been appearing and eroding the U.S., the stolen election being a prime example. Also the push for "universal healthcare". Of course, it's no coincidence that countries that have it are also repressive regimes. You can't be a free country with "free" medical coverage, as that is stealing from the tax payer. I was thinking about this and it made me realize how much socialist parasitism has been sitting right under our noses in America. Take fire departments, for example. Why should my tax dollars be used to put out someone else's house fire? It's not my fault that they were irresponsible. They should pay the fire department themselves (or there should be a form of insurance like medical) and if they can't afford it then a lost home is the consequence of being lazy. Maybe that's why fire trucks are the color red. When the land returns to the patriots privatizing the fire departments should be on the agenda.
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the republican party tends to be anti-social. its a behavioral thing. seems to be a majority christian thing too. strange
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
I'm most concerned with personal and economic freedom.
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You should specify what kind of "freedom" you mean.
Taking economic freedom for example, it could be either...

1) The right to start a business, buy material, hire workers,
& sell products. It's the freedom to act individually.
Or....
2) Government banning ownership of private property,
prohibiting voluntary economic association, & giving
us all the basic necessities of life. It's a highly ordered
& fair security, ie, freedom from risk.

I once thought that #2 was authoritarianism. But now
that I'm woke, I understand that such oppression is
just another kind of freedom.
 
Deo Vindice

Deo Vindice

Member
Twilight Hue said:
The habit of govt controlling whatever you privately own, what you can say, what you can eat, what you can do , what you must buy. Particularly the nanny state and the unconstitutional mandate which fortunately was removed.
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Again, how is that different? A few years from now, countries with "free" healthcare, "free" education, etc. will become indistinguishable from the U.S.S.R. It's not coincidence that the more secular a nation is, the more socialist it becomes; even Israel has universal healthcare; again another sign that we're in the end times. The godless world will become beholden to the antichrist's nanny state.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
mikkel_the_dane said:
It tells me nothing, because there are no universal, objective, absolute, true, correct, proper and what not definitions of personal and economic freedom.

I have an idea based on your other posts, but I don't actually know how you define them or what you consider them as what are their ontological status.
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Your right, people do have differing standards.

Mine would be maximizing the most control over my person , property, and money within reason. Not having others dictate what I can or cannot do respectively.

It's a reason why I favor a smaller, less intrusive system of governance.
 
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