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Socialism under our nose.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Compromise? From what I have gathered it basically forced restaurant staff to suffer the affects of second hand smoke. Which causes cancer among other things. There’s a reason why the “smokers corner” is universally thought to be outside away from patrons and staff. Though the restaurants should have been compensated for installing the vents or whatever. That I would gladly argue for them
Some staff were smokers themselves who worked those areas.

Compensated? Maybe in some areas but not here in the People's Republic of NewYork.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
This is a book arguing for the idea of a libertarian utopia. I've seen lots of that. Haven't seen it actually put into effect though. (As @Quintessence suggested, I would posit that's because it's unworkable in practical terms on any large scale, much like anarchocommunism).
That's the closest I'm aware of anything to a Libertarian utopia. And if you read that book, it is very unworkable. Everything is privatized, including the fire department and military and police. If you aren't born healthy and don't have the social networks for help you are absolutely screwed under this model.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Some staff were smokers themselves who worked those areas.

Compensated? Maybe in some areas but not here in the People's Republic of NewYork.
Who cares if some staff were?. That means not all of them were. So non smokers were by default potentially getting cancer at work, that means. They should have all been compensated. That they weren’t is indeed a travesty
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
That's true. Its also a reason why there are so many conflicts and wars.

Some fight back.

Well, if you are realistic you understand that freedom is not just your freedom alone or mine alone. We are connected, because in the end we are worse off alone.
So the compromise is weird. You want your freedom. I get that, but you don't get to deicide what society is. Nor do I, so if I want a welfare state, I have to listen to you and don't turn into a nanny state. But you can haven't freedom and just that. And I can't have a nanny state.
So society is a "dance" of individual limited rights versus individual limited duties. That is the trade off in the end, rights and duties.

Peace.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It was a great comprise law. Whats bs is people who just have to be pathologicaly busy bodied enough to poke their noses into other people's business where it dosent even belong.

It's their choice to make and not yours.
Smoke travels outside of smoking sections, putting others at risk due to second hand smoke.
Your rights end where your neighbor's nose begins.
What's bs is expecting people who don't smoke to be exposed to those toxic and cancerous clouds.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Smoke travels outside of smoking sections, putting others at risk due to second hand smoke.
Your rights end where your neighbor's nose begins.
What's bs is expecting people who don't smoke to be exposed to those toxic and cancerous clouds.

Yeah, I get that even as a smoker. And there is no need to involve others in my drawn out attempt as a suicide. :D
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Yeah, I get that even as a smoker. And there is no need to involve others in my drawn out attempt as a suicide. :D
I do appreciate that. I'd think it would be common sense to not smoke around non-smokers, do it outside, and all that, but when I lived in Indiana I had to tell a few people there was no smoking in my house and made a couple of them toss their cigarette they just lit or go outside and smoke because the smell of a partially smoked cigarette is terrible. But at least Indiana has banned smoking in public buildings. Last time I stayed in Oklahoma, a couple years ago, I about gagged from how repulsed I was when I was asked "smoking or non?" I didn't know anywhere still allowed that. And if Indiana of all places banned it (it is one of the smokiest and Reddest states in America), what in the hell is Oklahoma's excuse?
 
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