rosends
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so it is only an appeal to tradition if you say it is? Sorry. Nope.I wasn't talking about the tradition of those Christians. I was giving an example of Christians who were not anti-Semetic.
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so it is only an appeal to tradition if you say it is? Sorry. Nope.I wasn't talking about the tradition of those Christians. I was giving an example of Christians who were not anti-Semetic.
so it is only an appeal to tradition if you say it is? Sorry. Nope.
Mentioning how you believe in Jesus is an appeal to tradition so it is as fallacious as any belief of mine that you label the same way.Mentioning an example of how Christians are not always anti-Semetic is different from me saying something is true because a pastor or a priest said it is.
Mentioning how you believe in Jesus is an appeal to tradition so it is as fallacious as any belief of mine that you label the same way.
Saying you believe in Jesus because of a series of beliefs in biblical explanation is an appeal to tradition. Denying the older explanations of the bible means you are appealing to novelty.I was mentioning reasons why I believe in Jesus that have nothing to do with the traditions of human beings. Saying something is true because the rabbis or pastors teach it is an appeal to tradition.
Saying you believe in Jesus because of a series of beliefs in biblical explanation is an appeal to tradition. Denying the older explanations of the bible means you are appealing to novelty.
When you actually want to consider to content, regardless of the age, let me know
Saying you believe in Jesus because of a series of beliefs in biblical explanation is an appeal to tradition. Denying the older explanations of the bible means you are appealing to novelty.
When you actually want to consider to content, regardless of the age, let me know
So you agree with someone (who is "Brown"?) because he believes in what you want to believe in. That's a fallacy, for sure.I don't believe what Brown says because is a newer author or disagree with the Pharisees because they are from ancient times. I agree with Brown because of his belief in Jesus.
So you agree with someone (who is "Brown"?) because he believes in what you want to believe in. That's a fallacy, for sure.
So you agree with him because he doesn't believe what you believe in. Got it.I was citing what he said because he explains what I believe in in very simple and vivid ways. I don't agree with him because he believes in what I believe in.
So you agree with him because he doesn't believe what you believe in. Got it.
How?
Isaiah 41:8
But, you Israel, are My servant; Jacob, whom I have chosen; seed of Abraham, My friend.
Isaiah 49:3
And He said to me: "You are My servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified!"
First of all, not all the Pharisees disliked Jesus and his teachings. There is Nicodemus and Simon of Arimathea according to your gospel accounts. I am also quite convinced that Jesus was a Pharisee himself, of the school of bet Hillel. The school of Hillel and the school of Shammai (which controlled the Sanhedrin during Jesus' time) were at odds with each other, with Shammai being extremely strict. I refer you to Harvey Falk's "Jesus the Pharisee."The Pharisees rejected Jesus not because God hadn't provided them sufficient revelation in Scripture and in general revelation. Something else-pride, sin, or hard heartedness-may be obstructing their path.
LOL, I keep telling you, my friend, that you cannot be of the Jewish religion and believe that God is a man, or abandon the centrality of obedience and trade it for the centrality of faith apart from works. IOW you cannot, cannot, cannot violate core Jewish teachings and claim your religion is Judaism.While it doesn't have to be Jewish because that would be legalism and Judaizers, Hebrew Christians and Messianic Judaism shows that one can be Christian and Jewish. Since the Talmud didn't exist during the time of Abraham and Moses, Jewish Christian groups who don't believe in it are no less Jewish. Not all Jewish Christian groups are Judaizers.
First of all, not all the Pharisees disliked Jesus and his teachings. There is Nicodemus and Simon of Arimathea according to your gospel accounts. I am also quite convinced that Jesus was a Pharisee himself, of the school of bet Hillel. The school of Hillel and the school of Shammai (which controlled the Sanhedrin during Jesus' time) were at odds with each other, with Shammai being extremely strict. I refer you to Harvey Falk's "Jesus the Pharisee."
The School of Shammai Pharisees didn't like Jesus for two reasons. The first was because he had a more gentle halakha (interpretation of the Law) than they taught. The second was his claims to be the Son of God or Messiah, which was sheer hubris.
Jesus' interpretation, with very few deviations, was that of the school of Hillel. It is also the school of Hillel that formed the basis of Rabbinical Judaism's halakhah.That doesn't mean that his interpretation was any less valid. That was just the opinion of the Shammal Pharisees.
LOL, I keep telling you, my friend, that you cannot be of the Jewish religion and believe that God is a man, or abandon the centrality of obedience and trade it for the centrality of faith apart from works. IOW you cannot, cannot, cannot violate core Jewish teachings and claim your religion is Judaism.
Jesus' interpretation, with very few deviations, was that of the school of Hillel. It is also the school of Hillel that formed the basis of Rabbinical Judaism's halakhah.
First of all, not all the Pharisees disliked Jesus and his teachings. There is Nicodemus and Simon of Arimathea according to your gospel accounts. I am also quite convinced that Jesus was a Pharisee himself, of the school of bet Hillel. The school of Hillel and the school of Shammai (which controlled the Sanhedrin during Jesus' time) were at odds with each other, with Shammai being extremely strict. I refer you to Harvey Falk's "Jesus the Pharisee."
The School of Shammai Pharisees didn't like Jesus for two reasons. The first was because he had a more gentle halakha (interpretation of the Law) than they taught. The second was his claims to be the Son of God or Messiah, which was sheer hubris.
LOL, I keep telling you, my friend, that you cannot be of the Jewish religion and believe that God is a man, or abandon the centrality of obedience and trade it for the centrality of faith apart from works. IOW you cannot, cannot, cannot violate core Jewish teachings and claim your religion is Judaism.