BLM is a hate group

[McBell]

No need to worry. It doesn't happen for some reason... But why would that be, I wonder..?

Um...
Because they prefer to use sniper tactics?
James Charles Kopp

Now according to the logic you displayed in the OP, does this make Catholics a hate group or murderers?

 

[Quetzal]

BLM? A hate group? My Gods, I knew it! What has the Bureau of Land Management done now?

They are bureaucrats of managing land! Booo! (Also, boo-urns!)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Okay that's logical... What's not logical is to continue supporting Catholic protesters who would sometimes bang on the hoods of people entering a PP parking lot, or spraying graffiti on a PP building. Do you agree that in general, people should condemn such Catholic protests if they occur regularly..?

No. I would continue to condemn the individuals responsible for the violence, not Catholics in general or even Catholics who are protesting PP. I would definitely not assume that anyone who is catholic protesting PP is going to be violent just because some are.

 

[epronovost]

When did I say it was a hate crime? Nor have I suggested "stifling protest". I do however think if that protest ended in spray painting of ACAB on a synagogue of an African American church that the outrage in RF posts would be palpable. And if a protest ends in vandalism, that does break the law, the protestors should be arrested regardless of race creed or color. And IMO, you are still not stifling protest.

The protest ended shortly after the vandalism event without any incident and there were no arrestation since the cops don't know precisely who has done it. In other words, minimal damage, no (other) problem, no story. Calling this a hate crime like the OP is excessive and your idea that "if ACAB was painted on a African American church the outrage would be bigger" is pure conspiracy and speculative at best since it's almost certain an African American church has some kind of graffiti of that nature on it by pure statistical probability.

Ergo, I do see some graffiti as mundane, but not all, depending on what it is trying to convey

I agree with that general sentiment. Does ACAB written on a Catholic church is particularly damaging? I don't think so.

What about protests that smash store windows and damage businesses? Those do happen, and have happened in 2020.

If that happens, a protest needs to be stopped quickly and efficiently, but it's still only moderate damage since those buildings are insurred for such things. Something bad and dangerous definitely happened and the perpetrator, if the can be found should be procecuted, but then again. If it happens and the fallout is well managed (no injury or death when the protest was broken, no further damage, etc.) then the sytem works and we shouldn't be especially alarmed by such occurance.This is more news worthy story though since the damage is spectacular and far from being as common as a graffiti on a stone building.

So are you saying it is OK to deface public property but not private property? and you have not answered the question. Would it be OK to key your car, would that to be mundane, since it would only ost you $25 and about 10 minutes to fix? Is there a difference between jaywalking and keying a car.

And for the record, did not include cutting in traffic, or jumping stop signals because cutting in traffic is a generalization and rather subjective, depending on how it is done, it can be a violation in NYS. Jumping stop signals always is a violation, And both are justification for a police officer fo pull the car over.

Not exactly sure what you are referring to when you wrote "a **** in public". You may want to look into
Public Lewdness: NY Penal Law 245.00 which is a class B misdemeanor that could get you up to 90 days in jail

My point is that nobody would ever write an article about someone receiving a ticket for jaywalking unless a big problem happened in the arrest. In fact most people wouldn't even report such crime since they are so minor (half of all crimes aren't reported to the police). My entire point is, yes vandalism is crime, but it's not a big crime and making a whole story about it is clearly overblowing things and that type of behavior is a lot more dangerous and damageable than the vandalism itself.

 

[74x12]

...Because they're vandalizing Catholic churches now. Which means they've gone off the deep end, and deserve no respect from anyone.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/01/protesters-vandalize-st-patricks-cathedral-new-years-day/

The protesters, affiliated with Black Lives Matter Brooklyn and Justice for George, started marching at the Stonewall Inn and had stopped at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, police sources said.

They've been off the deep end. It's really worse than people realize or understand. There is nothing truly grassroots anymore in the mainstream. You can know what movements are controlled by how the media portrays them. If the media supports ... then they're controlled. All movements are controlled by the powers that shouldn't be to bring about desired results. It's called psychological warfare. Problem, reaction solution. Same old story.

The people are indoctrinated in school system and media. Basically what we have in the USA is a fascist system that is slowly tightening it's grip on the country. The young people are being also controlled by chemical warfare ... it's the chemtrails and they aren't just con-trails. It's for mind control.

Basically it's stuff to make your mind more susceptible to propaganda and indoctrination. It's really simple.

 

[oldbadger]

They are a street gang. Its a good point.

My wife supports BLM.... so do I.
We don't belong to any street gangs.

But some Police do belong in the 'Racist' category..... come to think of it, some belong in the 'killer' category. In fact we've just been watching a film about a women's prison in the States......... OMG! You might add a few prison officers to the above categories as well.

 

[74x12]

It's not because they are street gangs or bad people in BLM. Their cause is subverted and misguided on purpose. It's all controlled.

 

[sun rise]

Blm is behind much violence, murders and vandalism

The far right is behind a LOT more violence murders and vandalism. A tremendous amount more. How about being even handed.

 

[Revoltingest]

...Because they're vandalizing Catholic churches now. Which means they've gone off the deep end, and deserve no respect from anyone.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/01/protesters-vandalize-st-patricks-cathedral-new-years-day/

The protesters, affiliated with Black Lives Matter Brooklyn and Justice for George, started marching at the Stonewall Inn and had stopped at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, police sources said.

I think it's too diverse to be considered a single group.
Some are hateful, yes. But I'll wager that a great many aren't.

 

[Cooky]

I think it's too diverse to be considered a single group.
Some are hateful, yes. But I'll wager that a great many aren't.

Aye, one of the greatest benefits of being part of a non-group... No accountability.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Thanks.

My concern with society as a whole today as that we are defining severity of criminal acts based on who the perpetrator is and/or who the victim is, and IMO that solves nothing. It only feeds into and prolongs the problem. Basically it fixes nothing.

Understandable, and I suppose I agree. Except the premise of the OP is that BLM is a hate group based off of this particular act of vandalism. And my concern is that given BLM is a protest movement focused on police violence and systemic racism, stigmatizing the group according to this individual incident is ultimately more damaging to the community.

 

[Revoltingest]

Aye, one of the greatest benefits of being part of a non-group... No accountability.

True dat.
We recall that the BLM & Antifa violence was
blamed upon right wing provocateurs.
But the same folk never blamed right wing
violence on left wing provocateurs....odd, eh.

Best it seems to try not to dwell too much on
blaming groups or to do it too quickly. There
are good people on both sides...even the left.
(For the humor impaired...think it over before
fulminating at me & calling me bad names.)

 

[sun rise]

the cops don't know precisely who has done it.

Another source: Police Investigating Graffiti on Saint Patrick's Cathedral

The group was waving Trans Pride flags and Puerto Rican flags as they were yelling profanity and hitting police cars.

I'm against such acts no matter who does it. I'm also against the far right hating on BLM and ignoring their own far worse terrorist gangs.

The right is quick to attack BLM for all sorts of things. The NY Post is FAR from a reliable outlet and it skews right. Don't use them as a source for news if you care about some of us believing it. Use most reliable sources.

 

[epronovost]

Aye, one of the greatest benefits of being part of a non-group... No accountability.

No, you are individually accountable. You just can't be labelled a criminal and arrested or punished for something that someone else did.

 

[Cooky]

No, you are individually accountable. You just can't be labelled a criminal and arrested or punished for something that someone else did.

I wish my employment was that way. Then I could tell people what I really think without getting fired or getting my employer in trouble.

 

[epronovost]

I wish my employment was that way. Then I could tell people what I really think without getting fired or getting my employer in trouble.

Except insuting your customers while you are an employee of a corporation is against your contract and they can sanction you for it. There is no contract to be signed or power relationship when you join a political group that doesn't have a membership. If ou were a paid member of BLM or worked as an official volunteer you could expect more tight control from the organisation on the behavior of such people, but in the case of sympathiser, it would be like a company beingg sued over the behavior of a fan of its product or a random consumer.

 

[Cooky]

Except insuting your customers while you are an employee of a corporation is against your contract and they can sanction you for it. There is no contract to be signed or power relationship when you join a political group that doesn't have a membership. If ou were a paid member of BLM or worked as an official volunteer you could expect more tight control from the organisation on the behavior of such people, but in the case of sympathiser, it would be like a company beingg sued over the behavior of a fan of its product or a random consumer.

Do you know why a company would have you sign such a contract? It's because they know people hold entire groups responsible for the actions of individuals.

...Weird, huh.

 

[epronovost]

Do you know why a company would have you sign such a contract?

Because they give you money in exchange or your labor force and they expect results for that money.

The fact that you, like many others, are very judgemental has nothing to do with it.

 

[SomeRandom]

Do you know why a company would have you sign such a contract? It's because they know people hold entire groups responsible for the actions of individuals.

...Weird, huh.

I think it’s more that it can affect their bottom line.

 

[Cooky]

Because they give you money in exchange or your labor force and they expect results for that money.

The fact that you, like many others, are very judgemental has nothing to do with it.

A restaurant can still provide results if a waiter insults customers while pouring drinks over their heads. After all, everyone will gladly keep coming back without holding the restaurant accountable, knowing it was just that individual waiter who was the problem... Or is that not how it works... Oh wait, that's just how BLM has it, my bad... Because they're specially designed to avoid accountability.

I wonder if it's legal for a restaurant to be a non-restaurant, with non-staff... Then they could do whatever they want, and only individuals could be held accountable... Interesting.