I admire atheists for devoting time for "God"

[Quintessence]

See how easy devotion towards "God" is. People unnecessarily afraid of it.

BTW.. who told you that devotion needs to be very difficult ?

I'll take that as a yes, you intended devotion to be such a trivial affair that nearly all human activities qualify. I don't agree with that perspective, especially not in the context of religious devotion. Note, that this doesn't necessarily mean that religious devotion is difficult, but it does need to be differentiated from shopping for groceries.

 

[chinu]

I think a very good place to start any enquiry is to ask, What's true in reality?

And (as certainly appears to be the case) reality isn't where the supernatural is found, it's good to get these sorts of things sorted out, with the aim that your thinking becomes clearer.

Of course, if you don't like the question, What's true in reality, you're probably going to dismiss that approach,

No. I don't want to dismiss that approach.

But, before that I want ask.. What harm will happen if I dismiss this approach ?

 

[Nimos]

But they are evidence for God, that is what I meant.

Yeah but terrible ones, we have already been through this a lot of times There are simply not sufficient evidence for these messengers, for them to be considered good

 

[chinu]

I'll take that as a yes, you intended devotion to be such a trivial affair that nearly all human activities qualify.

Of course, all human activities qualify, the only slight change is one need to turn godly from worldly. Being worldly means priority is given to worldly things/works, whereas, being godly means priority is given to God (Nothing else)

I don't agree with that perspective, especially not in the context of religious devotion.

There are many different false religious perspectives in this world, I don't know for which you are talking about here.

Note, that this doesn't necessarily mean that religious devotion is difficult, but it does need to be differentiated from shopping for groceries.

Difference is.. Godly person eat to live, whereas worldly person live to eat. Godly person buy food, whereas worldly person buy taste. Of course grocery is required in both the cases, but Godly person always give priority to God.

 

[Heyo]

Do I understand that right, that ...

Sadly, am NOT authorised to do God's duty. Understanding atheistic mindset is God's job, NOT theist job.

... you don't think believers intend to understand atheists, and that ...

This will definitely disturb theist devotion, and God strictly warned NOT to do that.

... trying to do so would disturb their devotion (and it is warned against).

But you start threads about atheists and atheism.

That makes you either a troll or a really bad theist.

 

[chinu]

But you start threads about atheists and atheism.

I started thread by admiring atheists. Please re-read.

 

[Heyo]

I started thread by admiring atheists. Please re-read.

Only that you admired them for the wrong reasons - which would be trolling if you did that deliberately.
And even if you admire them, starting a thread and engaging them is going against the warning - which would make you a bad theists - if you are one.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

A true theist is neither a happy, nor a sad person. There's nothing to be so very happy, or so very sad in this world.

I get that. And I, too, am much more often simply content than outright "happy." But, based on the context, I figured you were talking about this particular situation specifically... not "happy with life in general." Regardless - yes, I see no dent in my "happiness" on this site given my experience in this thread - which is (I think) what you were asking in the first place.

 

[Quintessence]

Of course, all human activities qualify, the only slight change is one need to turn godly from worldly. Being worldly means priority is given to worldly things/works, whereas, being godly means priority is given to God (Nothing else)

This sort of strange "godly-worldly" dichotomy reminds me of one of the reasons I'm Pagan...

That aside, for religions that do place a wedge between the gods and the world, it really is quite a stretch to frame things this way and risks misrepresenting non-adherents to your point of view (whether they are atheists or theists). Others have already pointed this out.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I started thread by admiring atheists. Please re-read.

I, personally, thought you were being entirely sarcastic or facetious with the OP. It seems here you are trying to say that you were not.

The reason I thought this is because you obviously know the relative distaste that some atheists tend to have toward unfounded ideas of "God" - and it honestly seems like you were using the knowledge of said distaste to try and get under atheist's skin by equating their activities with some "devoting time to God."

If that is not what you were doing, then you have every chance to explain yourself. If that is what you were doing, just admit it and don't dig holes you can't climb out of. I have seen the latter far too often from theists. It's always vicariously embarrassing to witness.

 

[blü 2]

No. I don't want to dismiss that approach.

But, before that I want ask.. What harm will happen if I dismiss this approach ?

You'll bonsai yourself.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Fact 1: There are many forms of devotion. Devoting time is one of them. Devoting time is even one of the most important form of devotion which is even required for one's next devotion

Fact 2: Devoting time for a belief doesn't makes any difference, even if one is against that belief. That because, one NEVER go against something until that provides any kind of benefit.

Fact 3: Do you think there's any kind benefit that atheists get by going against the belief of theists ? I don't think you will be able to provide any.

Hence, taking the above (3) facts into consideration, I admire atheists for devoting time for "God"

But you are quite incorrect about what we are devoting our time to. It is not to "God," it is to understanding human beings. And you cannot understand human beings until you come to grips with how they believe, with how beliefs come about, and how they grow, or whither away.

Many people who are atheist (certainly not all, and certainly not exclusively from theists) are devoted to knowledge, to learning. And to ignore what is most important to the majority of humanity would be really quite stupid of us. We would actually "know" very little about our own kind, if we were to do that.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Fact 1: There are many forms of devotion. Devoting time is one of them. Devoting time is even one of the most important form of devotion which is even required for one's next devotion

Fact 2: Devoting time for a belief doesn't makes any difference, even if one is against that belief. That because, one NEVER go against something until that provides any kind of benefit.

Fact 3: Do you think there's any kind benefit that atheists get by going against the belief of theists ? I don't think you will be able to provide any.

Hence, taking the above (3) facts into consideration, I admire atheists for devoting time for "God"

It's not God I'm devoting time to. It's understanding people.

 

[Trailblazer]

It's not God I'm devoting time to. It's understanding people.

Me too, as psychology is my other hat, one I wore a lot longer then my religion hat.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Intelligent choice, I admire...

I'm curious. What religion do you follow?

 

[osgart]

As an atheist I like to keep track of how many Gods are after my soul, one way or another, for better or worse, heaven and hell on earth.

Gods can be imposing on other people's wills.

Other then that I find human ideas of the Supreme to be quite fascinating. Worthy of conversation.

Further still, I would enjoy a benevolent God to actually exist.

And yet once more, some of the God arguments I come across try to prove things I would like to affirm myself. A few are quite convincing, though not for the existence of God though.

Imaginary supreme beings are interesting and food for thought. They make me consider things I would never consider otherwise. Supreme love for instance.

 

[chinu]

Only that you admired them for the wrong reasons - which would be trolling if you did that deliberately.

No wrong reasons. I provided facts. Please re-read.

And even if you admire them, starting a thread and engaging them is going against the warning - which would make you a bad theists - if you are one.

How ? Please shed some light.

 

[chinu]

I'm curious. What religion do you follow?

Truth

 

[chinu]

Do I understand that right, that ...

... you don't think believers intend to understand atheists, and that ...

... trying to do so would disturb their devotion (and it is warned against).

But you start threads about atheists and atheism.

That makes you either a troll or a really bad theist.

A question was asked to me in this thread: what does "devoting time for god" look like? Two or three examples for clarity would be helpful. We need some way to assess whether or not "atheists" are engaging in these behaviors or not.

Examples were:
Example 1: Remember God.
Example 2: Praising God.
Example 3: Do anything that takes your attention towards God.

I thought, you have read that examples. Perhaps not.

Please read example number 3 very carefully. I hope you are deep enough to catch the answer. Or, tell me if still you don't understand, thank you.

 

[chinu]

I get that. And I, too, am much more often simply content than outright "happy." But, based on the context, I figured you were talking about this particular situation specifically... not "happy with life in general." Regardless - yes, I see no dent in my "happiness" on this site given my experience in this thread - which is (I think) what you were asking in the first place.

Friend, it is good topic for discussion. But, I don't think this is any way related to this thread.