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The Septuagint is a philological fraud
Emanuel Tov; Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible
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You should read ...I had already started one
The Septuagint is a philological fraud
Yes. You are arguing with me.
I said "El" means Lord. You said I was wrong ...then the it 's your turn to tell me what El means.
I have no wish to derail this thread but I'd love to see you develop this point in a thread of its own.
Please flag me when it happens. Thanks in advance.Actually, that's not a bad idea.
Very interesting. But you should have posted this in the other thread of mine I linked.Alright. Brother, in Hebrew, El means power or might. Elohim means powers or the plural of might. El Shaddai has El which in its root means "power" which you have not considered. Thus, this mountain matter has been addressed by the meaning of El, which is "power". I understand that El is directly represented by Ho Theos, but Theos means divinity, El means Power. The root meanings are different. In your analysis I would urge that you include this part rather than dismissing it as Elohim is represented by Ho Theos in the septuagint.
Mind you I am no expert in Hebrew and the Jewish brothers here can of course correct me and anyone else since there are some pretty scholarly Jews here. I dont mean this in any derogatory manner but Jews are generally far more educated in their scripture than any other average person.
So lets hear what they have to say.
Bottomline is though El or Elohim is directly represents the word God, or Ho Theos, there is a root meaning to the word. And that itself represents "power" or "might". Every single combination of words that represents God or even another persons God in the Hebrew Bible with the word El in it represents power. This is one of the reasons El Shaddai though some scholars like McKim would translate it as God, the one of the mountains, this word God here is actually meaning "Power". So does El Elyon and Elohim.
I honestly dont know how Ho Theos is translated into Hebrew because these two are very different languages. The Arabic word Allah is a direct translation of the Ho Theos exactly. Theos means iLah or Aluhia in arabic. But I dont know the Hebrew direct translation of the meaning of Ho Theos.
Anyway, my belief is that the Greek language is superimposed into a Hebrew text and it misrepresents the original meaning. You are right. But when you go to roots, go to the roots of everything.
Ho Theos as I understand can be directly translated in to Aramaic as Alaha and I can relate to that closely.
Cheers.
( Thank you. )PS. Sister, not brother.
Very interesting. But you should have posted this in the other thread of mine I linked.
This thread is about the word Shaddai.
And how it is not related to Omnipotence.
Thanks for your contribution, btw.
PS. Sister, not brother.
Sure would be helpful if HaShem spoke English.That is an excellent question, one that I have absolutely no answer to.
Ancient Greek is not a polysemic language.So, for those of us with little or no proficiency in Biblical Hebrew and/or Koine Greek, how might one say ...
"do not confuse denotation and connotation"
... in those ancient languages?
So you've said. All I know is that I requested a translation and you gave me a lecture. No fun at all.Ancient Greek is not a polysemic language.
It has a very complex verbal system and each word has a pretty univocal meaning.
Unlike Hebrew, I suppose.
In a parallel universe I would have married Dick Van DykeSo you've said. All I know is that I requested a translation and you gave me a lecture. No fun at all.
By the way, do you realize that you share a birthday with Mary Todd Lincoln and Dick Van Dyke - which should be more than enough to dissuade you or anyone else from having too much faith in astrology.
Hell, in a parallel universe I might have married Dick Van Dyke.In a parallel universe I would have married Dick Van Dyke
I think you come up with the neatest OP from time to time.So what do you guys think?
In Excursus 11 of the JPS Commentary: Genesis, Nahum Sarna makes a couple of interesting observations:
He concludes:
- The divine name appears nine times in the Torah, of which three are in poetic texts (Gen. 49:25; Num. 24:4,16). All but two of the Bible's other thirty-nine usages are likewise poetic (Prophets, Psalms, and Job). The prose exceptions (Ruth 1:20-21) are more apparent than real since the Book of Ruth possesses a poetic substratum and frequently displays archaisms. These statistics have an important bearing on the question of the antiquity of usage. The overwhelming appearance in poetic contexts points a priori to a venerable tradition, for Hebrew poetry tends to preserve or consciously to employ early forms of speech.
- Significantly, of the vast store of biblical personal names, only three are constructed with the element Shaddai. These are Shedeur (=? Shaddai-Ur), Zurishaddai, and Ammishaddai - all appearing solely in the lists of Numbers 1-2. Each is the father of a tribal representative at the time of the Exodus.
In other words, the divine name Shaddai lost its vitality in Israel with the advent of Moses and was preserved only as a literary relic in poetic compositions. ... The great antiquity of the name and its obsolescence in Israel in the Mosaic period explain why there are no consistent traditions as to its meaning and why the ancient versions have no uniform rendering.
We seem to be left with more or less informed conjecture ...
^ and this is one of the things that makes Torah so interesting.
No.Alright. Brother, in Hebrew, El means power or might.
Yes, thru the multiplicity of nature.Elohim means powers or the plural of might.
I reassert, no. The first part of name is divine kindess, the second part divine might. One who is infinitely kind and infinitely mighty is truly All-mighty.El Shaddai has El which in its root means "power"
How many different words/titles for G-d are there in Greek?My question is relevant because I can only answer you about Greek / Latin words.
For Hebrew words, ask people here who know Hebrew.
Many. Zeus, Demeter, Hades, Poseidon, Nike, Apollo - goes on and on...How many different words/titles for G-d are there in Greek?
This thread is about the word Shaddai.
And how it is not related to Omnipotence.