Who created universe ?

[alsome]

I'm having a hard typing with the advertising all over the place. I guess persons that believe in their gods do. The belief in no gods would not work here, I guess?
I'm at a in-between place in beliefs anymore, I kind of believe that life is all we have.

 

[ecco]

I would also note that if the god knew from the very beginning all the choices that would be made (omniscience), then humans cannot possibley have free will to make such choices, as it would be impossible to choose that which god did not foresee.

Do you really believe that you can understand the powers of a God? Do you really believe that a God's power is limited to what you, a mere human being, can comprehend?

A dog cannot comprehend how a person can get into a big doghouse (with wheels) and leave the property.

Dogs and humans are much closer at comprehending each other than you and your God.
If a dog cannot comprehend the concept of a car, why do you believe you should be able to understand the abilities of an omniscient God?


I don't know if you believe your God is omniscient. But, if a God is omniscient, there is no reason that It's creations cannot have free will. You cannot understand how that is possible any more than the dog can understand the concept of using a car to go to work to earn money to buy dog food.

 

[ecco]

Didn't god create omniscience ?

No. God was created omniscient. Oh, wait. God wasn't created, He existed forever. That means omniscience has been in existence forever.






ETA: Welcome.

 

[oldbadger]

Well, who created universe ?

I don't know.
Our researchers are still figuring out exactly how our Solar system formed in detail......... galaxies and universe will have to wait a bit.

 

[alsome]

And I can't dial my cell phone !

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I'm at a in-between place in beliefs anymore, I kind of believe that life is all we have.

I agree ' life is all we have ' but is 'this life all we have' _______
Adam was offered ' life ' meaning Adam could live forever on Earth as long as he did Not break God's Law.
Since we are innocent of what Adam did wrong that is why God sent Jesus to Earth for us.
Jesus came to balance the Scales of Justice for us to undo what Adam and Satan brought upon humanity.
This means the time is coming when most people can gain everlasting life on Earth.
So, everlasting life, living forever on Earth is all we have.
ALL we have to enjoy. The stars that fill the summer night looking down on us from above.
The beauty of the day and night fashioned with love for us.
Eden was a perfect start for eternity to be in every heart.
The things we touch, see, hear and feel deep inside can delight us with never-ending joy.
This coming gift of eternal life on Earth is made possible by the ransom sacrifice paid by Christ for us.
For we will always find joy in creation and in the coming paradisical Earth to come.
Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.

 

[alsome]

Yes, yes, yes god said do not eat the fruit, Ra wouldn't say that, Moses loved punishment, didn't he ? Forever on earth, in life, or eat the fig ! Was Eve contrarious or what ?

It's all about Moses dreams, however how many re-writes.

 

[ecco]

Jesus came to balance the Scales of Justice for us to undo what Adam and Satan brought upon humanity.

Your God knew exactly what Adam would do long before He created him. Or don't you believe that your God is omniscient?

This means the time is coming when most people can gain everlasting life on Earth.
So, everlasting life, living forever on Earth is all we have.

Think about that! Eternity in heaven would still get repetitiously boring after only 1% of eternity.

Everlasting life on earth? How many times can you see every intricate part of the Grand Canyon? How many times do you want Aunty Jean to pinch your cheeks?

Eternity on earth would be cause for insanity before .0001% of eternity took place.

Can someone with everlasting life on earth commit suicide? I'd sure try.

 

[alsome]

"On Earth", is all we got ! Do the best and do no harm.

 

[alsome]

To @ecco ,
As to this sentence: "No. God was created omniscient. Oh, wait. God wasn't created, He existed forever. That means omniscience has been in existence forever.."
omniscient and omniscience; whatever baffles me here ?

 

[ecco]

omniscient and omniscience; whatever baffles me here ?

Omniscience and Omnipotence and Eternal and Existed Since Before Time fall into the category of fairy tale stuff.

God is omniscient is about the same as the tooth fairy can fly through closed windows.


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[alsome]

It was the "omniscience" that got me ! Have not seen that expression before.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Your God knew exactly what Adam would do long before He created him. Or don't you believe that your God is omniscient?
Think about that! Eternity in heaven would still get repetitiously boring after only 1% of eternity.
Everlasting life on earth? How many times can you see every intricate part of the Grand Canyon? How many times do you want Aunty Jean to pinch your cheeks?
Eternity on earth would be cause for insanity before .0001% of eternity took place.
Can someone with everlasting life on earth commit suicide? I'd sure try.

Sure, like Adam anyone can opt out of everlasting life on Earth. God forces No one to live forever either in Heaven or on Earth.
No, God gave Adam free will so God did Not know before He created Satan or Adam.
God entrusted Satan (Ezekiel 28:13-16) and Satan turned himself into a Satan, a Devil, by his wanting humans to worship him - James 1:13-15.
I never tire of my favorite foods, and in 3/4 of a century I have Not tired of seeing my favorite people, even always look forward to the next visit.
Right now seeing every intricate part of the Grand Canyon does Not interest me but being there with people I love would interest me.
I never seem to tire of hiking. Mount Fuji hopefully here I come !

My best friend's father loved the restaurant business, and when Bill is resurrected if he wants to continue in the restaurant business, I'd be happy to be there to help him out.

Yes, think about Eternity in Heaven because those called to Heaven have two (2) jobs to do:
1) They are to serve in Heaven as kings over Earth for a thousand years.
2) They are to serve in Heaven as priests over Earth for a thousand years.
So, they take care of governmental duties and spiritual responsibilities for the people of Earth.
( Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10; Luke 22:28-30 )

Here is another thought (since we will build our own houses 'plural' ) where on Earth would you like to live____________
How long would it take to live all over the Earth if you want to, and to meet everyone on Earth ___________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"On Earth", is all we got ! Do the best and do no harm.

Yes, humble meek people do the best and do no harm that is a reason why they will inherit the Earth as promised at Psalms 37:9-11,29; Matthew 5:5
For Adam, Earth was Not a stepping stone to anywhere else. God offered Adam everlasting life on a beautiful paradisical Earth forever and ever.
Since we are innocent of what Adam did is why, through Jesus, we are also offered eternal life on Earth starting with calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year reign over Earth when ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

 

[alsome]

Your quoting scripture here, right ? All I'm getting is some human wrote about their imaginations. Humble is good in every possible aspect. That is what created the "universe..
That's what Jesus spoke when speaking to the gatherings of god loving Jews.

 

[alsome]

No matter what, it didn't happen---did it ?

 

[Milton Platt]

Do you really believe that you can understand the powers of a God? Do you really believe that a God's power is limited to what you, a mere human being, can comprehend?

A dog cannot comprehend how a person can get into a big doghouse (with wheels) and leave the property.

Dogs and humans are much closer at comprehending each other than you and your God.
If a dog cannot comprehend the concept of a car, why do you believe you should be able to understand the abilities of an omniscient God?


I don't know if you believe your God is omniscient. But, if a God is omniscient, there is no reason that It's creations cannot have free will. You cannot understand how that is possible any more than the dog can understand the concept of using a car to go to work to earn money to buy dog food.

It does not matter if I can't fully understand the power of a god. It does not matter what the limits of it's power are or are not. The question of responsibility for it's actions remains the same.
Unless you are trying to suggest that your god is irresponsible, your argument is irrelevant.

 

[ecco]

No, God gave Adam free will so God did Not know before He created Satan or Adam.

So, you do not believe that your God is omniscient.

I never tire of my favorite foods, and in 3/4 of a century I have Not tired of seeing my favorite people, even always look forward to the next visit.

You talk about 75 years as if that has any meaning when compared to eternity. You obviously cannot grasp the magnitude of eternity. If you visited with a favorite person eight hours a day for the entire 75 years, would you be getting bored? Probably.

You could visit with every human who had ever lived a trillion, trillion times and you still would not have gotten through .0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of eternity. Would you be getting bored?

1) They are to serve in Heaven as kings over Earth for a thousand years.
2) They are to serve in Heaven as priests over Earth for a thousand years.
So, they take care of governmental duties and spiritual responsibilities for the people of Earth.

Long before I would live in a country ruled by you I would have killed myself.

Here is another thought (since we will build our own houses 'plural' ) where on Earth would you like to live____________
How long would it take to live all over the Earth if you want to, and to meet everyone on Earth ___________

See above.






ETA: From your comments regarding "kings of earth", am I correct in assuming you are Mormon?

 

[ecco]

It does not matter if I can't fully understand the power of a god. It does not matter what the limits of it's power are or are not. The question of responsibility for it's actions remains the same.
Unless you are trying to suggest that your god is irresponsible, your argument is irrelevant.

No. I am stating that if your God was omniscient, He knew A&E would disobey Him long before He created them. This is true even if man has free will.


Why would you write "your god" when you can plainly see I am an atheist?

 

[Muffled]

As much evidence for a "committee of insane higher dimensional beings" as for Olodumare, Yahweh, or Pangu.

I believe I am the evidence for Yahweh.