Children less likely than adults to get COVID 19

[Thief]

Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale
How Sweden’s bold ‘herd immunity approach’ on COVID-19 failed
Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

oh oh...but then I read the articles....

picture the situation this way....
in a small town like mine.....20 beds at the hospital for ICU

if 200 people show up gasping for air.......CRISIS!

and it would be

but the remaining 29,800 people feel nothing
nothing at all

I hear reports day by day......omg
what will we do!!!!!!

I say.....take your vitamins
stop eating junk food
your chemistry IS your fortress

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And, of course, the problem that opening too soon means we will have to close again, further damaging the economy. it is better to close down for three weeks and have a safer re-opening? or to gradually re-open and maybe have to back up? clearly, the worst case is opening fully too soon and having a lot of people dying and ALSO damaging the economy.

It's better to act cautiously and responsibly driven by the best information available.

 

[columbus]

FTA: “
according to Dr. William Raszka, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at the University of Vermont's Larner College of Medicine.

"The younger you are, probably the less likely you are to be able to transmit the disease," he said.”

In the current political climate I am very distrustful of such optimistic pronouncements. Not to mention how vague it is.

Knowing that Trump and the Republicans are desperate to minimize the social and economic disaster resulting from our C19 response I am very suspicious of any government official saying such things when the research necessary to back up the claims cannot possibly have been done adequately.

Too bad our President is so well known for lying and hiring liars that little can be trusted if Trump is involved.
Tom

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why do you consider any of this to be relevant?

The best thing to do is to keep social distance. The US has failed in doing that by opening too soon.

The next thing, to prevent transmission, is to wear masks. People in the US object to doing that.

People need to think for themselves sometimes. "Scientist say wear masks, so let's wear them" but if I had been told by my doctor I have cancer, I'd want to get a 10th opinion of both pros and cons And assess my own health etc at the same time so I know when things just don't make sense. Arguments over material face coverings is silly but I do see a lot more dependency on what's on t.v. and less on what's appropriate for the situation a person is in.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Perhaps the bottom line is this:

"We did see low transmission," but "we didn't see no transmission," Macartney said. "I think children can still transmit coronavirus. That's certainly the case. We've seen that."

Further, Gary Wong, a researcher in pediatric respiratory medicine at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, said widespread school closures and a comparatively lower rate of testing for the new coronavirus among children could contribute to the low number of reported cases of Covid-19 among the group.

Wong added that, since plenty of other respiratory viruses can transmit between adults and children, it would be odd if the new coronavirus didn't have some level of transmission between the groups, as well.

"I don't believe this virus is an exception," Wong said. "As long as there is community transmission in the adult population, reopening of schools will likely facilitate transmission, as respiratory viruses are known to circulate in schools and day cares."

What the findings mean for moving forward
In light of the conflicting evidence, some health officials are waiting for more research results before reopening schools and easing social distancing restrictions for children.

CDC warns that all people with Covid-19, including those with mild cases of the disease and children, "can still pass this virus onto others who may be at higher risk, including older adults and people who have serious underlying medical conditions."

And while the European Center for Disease Control and Prevention (ECDC) has said data indicates that "children are unlikely to be primary source cases" for Covid-19, Alexandru Niculae, a spokesperson for the agency, told Vox that the data currently available "cannot be considered as 'enough evidence'" to definitively state that children cannot transmit the disease.

According to Nature, countries that are reopening schools will serve as test cases. If children are contributing to the new coronavirus' spread, Covid-19 cases likely will spike in those countries as they return to school.

But some health experts argue that shouldn't be the case.

"Are any of these studies definitive? The answer is 'No, of course not,'" said Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University who was not involved in the studies. As such, "to open schools because of some uninvestigated notion that children aren't really involved in this, that would be a very foolish thing," Shaman said ...​

 

[Thief]

People need to think for themselves sometimes. "Scientist say wear masks, so let's wear them" but if I had been told by my doctor I have cancer, I'd want to get a 10th opinion of both pros and cons And assess my own health etc at the same time so I know when things just don't make sense. Arguments over material face coverings is silly but I do see a lot more dependency on what's on t.v. and less on what's appropriate for the situation a person is in.

at the end of last year.....I was in the ER

I got NO diagnosis of use
they simple did not know.....and they blamed my gall bladder
and mentioned elective surgery

they were also overheard to say.....WHAT?......another guy with a stomach problem?

they sent a bill for $3000

no sure notation.....what actually happened

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

People need to think for themselves sometimes. "Scientist say wear masks, so let's wear them" but if I had been told by my doctor I have cancer, I'd want to get a 10th opinion ....

... which you could do without blithely choosing to put other people at risk.

 

[Thief]

mmmm.....did hear radio report

among Tasmanian devils.....cancer can be infectious

 

[Revoltingest]

The best thing to do is to keep social distance. The US has failed in doing that by opening too soon.

This "opening too soon" really grinds me gears!
What does "opening" mean?
We tried severely shutting down the economy, but that was a
cure worse than the disease. Michiganistan has finally found
a better balance (sanity struck the governor). Instead of banning
buying paint'n such, we now must wear masks in close quarters.
It's about time that we make it about safe behavior instead of
hiding at home.
Yeah, perhaps more will die. But a dead economy will also kill.

 

[Windwalker]

the mask isn't really working....btw

Care to support that with facts? Link to research regarding this please?

 

[Windwalker]

We tried severely shutting down the economy, but that was a
cure worse than the disease.

We did not try shutting down the economy. We tried getting people to practice social-distancing. That is what failed. They didn't! Once we try that for real, then maybe we can get the economy going again full-steam, rather that make the economy far, far worse by all these half-measures thwarted by active ignorance and denialism. This lands squarely at Trump's feet. We need to just do it, and then can begin to reopen like the rest of the world is trying to do, that actually has this under control better, because they actually followed the recommendations.

Think about ignoring an infection, until it spreads and kills you. "It'll just go away on its own". We haven't tried it and failed, we haven't actually done it yet. Want to really destroy the economy? Then follow Trump's denialism of reality. This is on him.

 

[Windwalker]

oh oh...but then I read the articles....

picture the situation this way....
in a small town like mine.....20 beds at the hospital for ICU

if 200 people show up gasping for air.......CRISIS!

and it would be

but the remaining 29,800 people feel nothing
nothing at all

I hear reports day by day......omg
what will we do!!!!!!

I say.....take your vitamins
stop eating junk food
your chemistry IS your fortress

I say you are not a medical expert and should not pretend you know about health matters.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

... which you could do without blithely choosing to put other people at risk.

Not sure I follow. Many people who don't wear masks don't put people at risk. It depends on if they are social distancing, environment, their own health conditions, among other factors that just covering up your nose and mouth won't quite cut it 100%. Not wearing masks in itself doesn't mean people don't care about others. Scientist don't know each person's individual situation so a person from a small town in the mountains would have less likelihood of "harming others" than say one in New York. Masks lower the risk not prevent from catching the virus.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

at the end of last year.....I was in the ER

I got NO diagnosis of use
they simple did not know.....and they blamed my gall bladder
and mentioned elective surgery

they were also overheard to say.....WHAT?......another guy with a stomach problem?

they sent a bill for $3000

no sure notation.....what actually happened

Wow sheesh. ER and pademedics tend to say if it's not immediate, you should go to a doctor. ER bills are horrible. My insurance pays it all as long as they know I had a real seizure as one nurse said I was faking it just to be in the ER (sight seeing, I guess)

 

[columbus]

I say.....take your vitamins
stop eating junk food
your chemistry IS your fortress

I say.....
This is serious denialism.

Yes, of course, eating a healthy diet and getting exercise and such are going to improve your health. That includes resistance to infections across the board.
But calling it a fortress isn't just a little mistaken. It's flat out denial of the reality of viral illnesses.
Tom

 

[Nakosis]

Do children spread coronavirus? What doctors say about going back to school

FTA: “Evidence suggests that children are not as susceptible as adults to COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. Even among those who have been infected, it's relatively rare for children to develop serious complications or require hospitalization.”

That's good. Let it kill off all the old folks. We're not that valuable anyway.
We ought to start having classes in convalescent/old folks' homes.
Imagine all of the money it'll save the government.

Win/win.

 

[Revoltingest]

We did not try shutting down the economy.

I suppose you could quibble over the degree to which we did that.
But the issue remains about the trade-off between economic reduction
& infection spreading.

We tried getting people to practice social-distancing. That is what failed. They didn't! Once we try that for real, then maybe we can get the economy going again full-steam, rather that make the economy far, far worse by all these half-measures thwarted by active ignorance and denialism. This lands squarely at Trump's feet. We need to just do it, and then can begin to reopen like the rest of the world is trying to do, that actually has this under control better, because they actually followed the recommendations.

Instead of getting tough on restricting commerce,
get tough on safe behavior.

Think about ignoring an infection, until it spreads and kills you. "It'll just go away on its own". We haven't tried it and failed, we haven't actually done it yet. Want to really destroy the economy? Then follow Trump's denialism of reality. This is on him.

Trump is not the cause of our problems.
We have individual states, each with its own policies.

 

[columbus]

Trump is not the cause of our problems.

Who do you suppose convinced the Darwin Award Winner you discussed in another thread that "Covid19 is a hoax"?

You seriously think that our President isn't the main problem?
Tom

 

[columbus]

We have individual states, each with its own policies.

Unless, of course, President Trump threatens to cut off federal education funding if states don't do what his campaign advisors want the states to do.
Tom

 

[exchemist]

Well it is only an NBC news article. Actually that fact that the risk to children is less seems to be news to some people.

Speaking as a teacher myself I want as much information as I can get, since schools will reopen whether sooner or later. Knowing children are less prone to getting the virus is of some comfort.

I can understand your concern.

The trouble is that the article merely says children appear less "susceptible". It is not clear from that whether it means they don't become infected enough to spread it, or whether it means that when children do become infected, their symptoms are mild or non-existent. My understanding is that we are fairly sure the latter is true. However I have not so far read any evidence yet about the former.

So it may be perfectly possible for a class of apparently healthy children to carry the disease and be able to give it to each other, to teachers and to family members when they go home. One hopes of course that this is not so and that they don't even catch it, but if I were you I'd really want to know that bit of the equation before September! I think the Danes may have some experience of what happens when school restarts. It may be the younger classes are safer than the older ones. But we need to know, before blanket demands to restart physical schooling are imposed. I'm hoping the UK government may be able to share some information about this to reassure the UK teaching unions. If they don't, there could be teachers' strike in the Autumn, I should think.