Duncan
Member
I believe I gave strong evidence followed by true references. At the end it is your decision to believe whatever you want, but one this is sure Bahai has nothing to do with Allah, Islam, or Muhammed, Jesus, Moises peace be upon them.
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Proof of Islam?
- Thread starter Wolf Spirit
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I believe I gave strong evidence followed by true references. At the end it is your decision to believe whatever you want, but one this is sure Bahai has nothing to do with Allah, Islam, or Muhammed, Jesus, Moises peace be upon them.
Duncan
Member
You can verify yourself who Muhammad was really, instead of reading youtube comments? a true prophet or a charlatan? I mean I can give you real proof about who was Muhammed and verify the information yourself. What they say about the bab I mentioned it already, and he was a fraud, a fraud like Ghulam Ahmad of India, and Joseph Smith of USA
Yeah, its hard for me too, costochondritis or something.
Tell us about the other two frauds like you did about the Bab. Joseph Smith mentioned Muhammed and Ghulam Ahmad also connected himself much more strongly to Islam. Also, if you can write about the Mahdi guy in Africa or wherever it was who was fighting the British and they made that movie about starring Lawrence Olivier in Black-face.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I am sorry to hear that you have a medical condition which does not allow you to bow, otherwise perhaps you would have done that. I my case, it is a matter of principle that I should not bow to untruth. My books said:
"satyam eva īshwaro loke, satyam padmā samāshritā l
satya mūlāni sarvāni, satyān nāsti param padam ll"
(Truth alone is the god in the world, all virtues are contained in truth; all have their roots in truth, there is no station higher than the truth.)
Valmiki Ramayana - Ayodhya Kanda - Sarga 109
The Muhammed I believe in was like the other Prophets I believe in, not all magical and knowing but an ordinary person who was utterly confused being selected by God for terrifying and troubling experiences, unwillingly and unknowingly, nor seeking out such for themselves before, who were threatened and basically forced by some power far beyond their control or complete understanding that basically used them to create huge amounts of influence and change in the world.
This style of Prophet is depicted in the Qur'an, and no other book, since Shia prefer sage-like and knowing magical prophets, but they were not depicted like that in the Qur'an, they were depicted as totally normal people who do normal shopping who became basically under attack by this strange alien force that they had no idea wished good or ill for them or humanity but were forced out of total fear and compelled, treated like slaves and animals. That is what I like. Not the asking humans to grovel at their feet ego-mania types, the Qur'an doesn't depict them as haughty, even though a number of them were turned into Kings basically.
I despise the Prophets as they are depicted in the Bible, as wicked tricksters, unjust, petty, unafraid of God. I hate them all. Abraham of the Bible is scum, Abraham of the Qur'an is exactly what I prefer for a character.
At the end of the day, I knew none of these dead men, nor can any of their stories be verified. It comes down to preference. Allah can make the stories true, History is as made up as anything else in God's utterly changeable power to control and manipulate reality and information. So again, it comes down to preference.
I prefer the Qur'an and Qur'an versions of every story and character. If those stories, which Allah can delete even from history as if they never happened or genuinely making it so they never happened or did happen, can bring proofs like Hemon the Chief Architect or opposite proofs.
Every time the Qur'an is proven true, it is satisfying because I prefer it over all the scriptures as the easiest to gain from and best of all depicting the best behaviors and characters most realistically of decent, sensitive folks.
Even if the whole Qur'an is somehow turned into a mockery, it changes nothing regarding Allah, who has the power to make anything appear anyway, to take away anything from anyone, turn falsehood into truth and truth into falsehood, like the dead staff into a living snake and back again, like your hand is in one position then it is false and your hand is in another position which was not there before so was false until its true.
That is the real God.
If Bab and his Babies and Baha'Ullah and his other spicy sauces said anything true or of worth, like 2+2=4, then take it. If they said anything which is untrue or false, disregard it. Same with Joe, Ghulam, and Black-Face Olivier.
Humans never matter much, just like "black lives". They are, even in wickedness, and like the ancestors of some African Americans, Slaves. There is no "thing" but it is a Slave to the Terrible and Awful (awe inducing) "Sublime" (see Sublime wikipedia) power of The One.
Bab was a Slave, Muhammed was a Slave, Jesus was a Slave, Mary was a little lamb and a slave.
These slaved were used to execute the wills and plans of God, just as in the fashion of the Iliad, and they did what they were supposed to do, which was not necessarily good or good for them, but God's show as God wills it.
All focus should constantly return to Allah rather than tales about humans, as humans are naturally expendable temporal slaves, a dime a dozen, unimportant, destructable, returnable.
Rasputin played his role, and all the Charlatans, Ghengis Khan and all the scourges, which one of these men defied the Will of God or escaped God's utter control over every detail of the narrative of this scroll called life and history?
Now Donald Trump, placed in power by all sorts of mechanisms in the immediate sense, mechanisms all controlled by One Avalokiteshvara easily manipulating reality like a dream or a vision, in order to conduct what it wills, to spread disease, death, chaos, war, terror, fear.
Just as with Bab you described.
Then Odin, who whispers War to some and puts them to it, takes them too, slaughtering them like sacrifices.
Blood for the Blood God they say in a game series called Warhammer.
Allah, who is all these, can easily wipe out all existence in an instant. Is the Ultimate Nuke, has utter confidence since nothing is happening which Allah is not doing, making, manifesting, writing, speaking, "bringing about" good or evil in every detail.
Guess what people spend their time on instead though (as Allah wishes them to)? They spend their time thinking about glorified apes! Humans! Heroes and Villains of humanity, puppets! Their minds are absorbed by such and such tale of Muhammed or Moses or Abraham or Baha'Ullah, the Baha part instead of the Ullah!
Same with Buddha. Instead of focusing on the Dharmakaya, they adore the Rupakaya, Nirmanakaya. They don't look to the Adi Buddha, they look to the Sambhuti, and why? Well my theory is because they are idiots that God created to despise and despises them, or maybe thats just me (pun(s)).
Anyone who inordinately focuses upon men and the glory of men, Saint Paul says is cursed by God to become a *-A-G-*-O-T, who are pretty much disdained by all the world's religions and scriptures as an inferior state, including Buddhists and Zoroastrians who consider such a vile state of existence as well.
Its true too that psychologically, if you're spending all your time loving on a man's face and writings about the state of his God-given pubic hairs (pubes have been proven to protect areas from bacteria, it was the mistake of evil Persians to try to compete with the Qur'an with their culture and trash, but Allah willed it in order to divert a huge portion of the people towards misery and self-destruction, sans pubes), that you will likely create some kind of psychological affection connection with a human form. The way there are so many gay seeming Christian dudes who love Jesus and men.
Its also why I can be seen jolting my hips into empty space in the darkness of night and with the warm breeze embracing me, because I love not men or idols (like how they say "American Idol") in any sense!
I do like toys though, and being "gay" as in being silly!
Love a man or a man form (other than me?), then I think the mind is in the less favorable place of focus.
The Qur'an places a lot of focus on God, not so much on men or man-forms or creatures.
Take what is good from your fellow grunting apes, learn as monkey see monkey do from the best of the doos that monkeys doo, and eat not their doo doo nor fling it upon the Ape, except when needed or for just cause.
Focus instead on The Lord of the Apes who is not an Ape nor Apes the Apes (Ape as in Imitates), but instead Makes them Dance like the monkeys they are.
This style of Prophet is depicted in the Qur'an, and no other book, since Shia prefer sage-like and knowing magical prophets, but they were not depicted like that in the Qur'an, they were depicted as totally normal people who do normal shopping who became basically under attack by this strange alien force that they had no idea wished good or ill for them or humanity but were forced out of total fear and compelled, treated like slaves and animals. That is what I like. Not the asking humans to grovel at their feet ego-mania types, the Qur'an doesn't depict them as haughty, even though a number of them were turned into Kings basically.
I despise the Prophets as they are depicted in the Bible, as wicked tricksters, unjust, petty, unafraid of God. I hate them all. Abraham of the Bible is scum, Abraham of the Qur'an is exactly what I prefer for a character.
At the end of the day, I knew none of these dead men, nor can any of their stories be verified. It comes down to preference. Allah can make the stories true, History is as made up as anything else in God's utterly changeable power to control and manipulate reality and information. So again, it comes down to preference.
I prefer the Qur'an and Qur'an versions of every story and character. If those stories, which Allah can delete even from history as if they never happened or genuinely making it so they never happened or did happen, can bring proofs like Hemon the Chief Architect or opposite proofs.
Every time the Qur'an is proven true, it is satisfying because I prefer it over all the scriptures as the easiest to gain from and best of all depicting the best behaviors and characters most realistically of decent, sensitive folks.
Even if the whole Qur'an is somehow turned into a mockery, it changes nothing regarding Allah, who has the power to make anything appear anyway, to take away anything from anyone, turn falsehood into truth and truth into falsehood, like the dead staff into a living snake and back again, like your hand is in one position then it is false and your hand is in another position which was not there before so was false until its true.
That is the real God.
If Bab and his Babies and Baha'Ullah and his other spicy sauces said anything true or of worth, like 2+2=4, then take it. If they said anything which is untrue or false, disregard it. Same with Joe, Ghulam, and Black-Face Olivier.
Humans never matter much, just like "black lives". They are, even in wickedness, and like the ancestors of some African Americans, Slaves. There is no "thing" but it is a Slave to the Terrible and Awful (awe inducing) "Sublime" (see Sublime wikipedia) power of The One.
Bab was a Slave, Muhammed was a Slave, Jesus was a Slave, Mary was a little lamb and a slave.
These slaved were used to execute the wills and plans of God, just as in the fashion of the Iliad, and they did what they were supposed to do, which was not necessarily good or good for them, but God's show as God wills it.
All focus should constantly return to Allah rather than tales about humans, as humans are naturally expendable temporal slaves, a dime a dozen, unimportant, destructable, returnable.
Rasputin played his role, and all the Charlatans, Ghengis Khan and all the scourges, which one of these men defied the Will of God or escaped God's utter control over every detail of the narrative of this scroll called life and history?
Now Donald Trump, placed in power by all sorts of mechanisms in the immediate sense, mechanisms all controlled by One Avalokiteshvara easily manipulating reality like a dream or a vision, in order to conduct what it wills, to spread disease, death, chaos, war, terror, fear.
Just as with Bab you described.
Then Odin, who whispers War to some and puts them to it, takes them too, slaughtering them like sacrifices.
Blood for the Blood God they say in a game series called Warhammer.
Allah, who is all these, can easily wipe out all existence in an instant. Is the Ultimate Nuke, has utter confidence since nothing is happening which Allah is not doing, making, manifesting, writing, speaking, "bringing about" good or evil in every detail.
Guess what people spend their time on instead though (as Allah wishes them to)? They spend their time thinking about glorified apes! Humans! Heroes and Villains of humanity, puppets! Their minds are absorbed by such and such tale of Muhammed or Moses or Abraham or Baha'Ullah, the Baha part instead of the Ullah!
Same with Buddha. Instead of focusing on the Dharmakaya, they adore the Rupakaya, Nirmanakaya. They don't look to the Adi Buddha, they look to the Sambhuti, and why? Well my theory is because they are idiots that God created to despise and despises them, or maybe thats just me (pun(s)).
Anyone who inordinately focuses upon men and the glory of men, Saint Paul says is cursed by God to become a *-A-G-*-O-T, who are pretty much disdained by all the world's religions and scriptures as an inferior state, including Buddhists and Zoroastrians who consider such a vile state of existence as well.
Its true too that psychologically, if you're spending all your time loving on a man's face and writings about the state of his God-given pubic hairs (pubes have been proven to protect areas from bacteria, it was the mistake of evil Persians to try to compete with the Qur'an with their culture and trash, but Allah willed it in order to divert a huge portion of the people towards misery and self-destruction, sans pubes), that you will likely create some kind of psychological affection connection with a human form. The way there are so many gay seeming Christian dudes who love Jesus and men.
Its also why I can be seen jolting my hips into empty space in the darkness of night and with the warm breeze embracing me, because I love not men or idols (like how they say "American Idol") in any sense!
I do like toys though, and being "gay" as in being silly!
Love a man or a man form (other than me?), then I think the mind is in the less favorable place of focus.
The Qur'an places a lot of focus on God, not so much on men or man-forms or creatures.
Take what is good from your fellow grunting apes, learn as monkey see monkey do from the best of the doos that monkeys doo, and eat not their doo doo nor fling it upon the Ape, except when needed or for just cause.
Focus instead on The Lord of the Apes who is not an Ape nor Apes the Apes (Ape as in Imitates), but instead Makes them Dance like the monkeys they are.
Part 2:
Through this silly speech, I was led to some very beautiful knowledge regarding The Master, and epithets for The Master from various Indo-European languages which I've been seeing on display constantly for the last two weeks maybe and more and now I've been given their deeper meanings, etymologies, and uses! Its even amazing they all had to do with each other but were showing up independently.
gold - Wiktionary
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from Proto-Indo-European *ǵʰelh₃-(“yellow; gleam; to shine”). Related to yellow; see there for more. "
"
cognates from other Indo-European languages are Latvian zelts, Russian зо́лото(zóloto), Persian زرد (zard, “yellow, golden”),Sanskrit हिरण्य (hiraṇya). "
"
Premium,superior. "
"
The bullseye of an archery target. "
"
AdjectiveEdit
gold
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Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/ǵʰelh₃- - Wiktionary
Also Zircon from Zargun. (Zarenu "Gold" Gauna "Colored")
"
The name derives from the Persian zargun, meaning "gold-hued". "
This Yellow color which now can be used as a quick reminder of God encoded with its best meanings (Bright, Clear, Pure, Flourishing / Causing to Flourish).
Lets see Blue which has also been popping up like crazy:
from Proto-Indo-European *bʰlēw- (“yellow, blond, grey”).
What the YELL? Blue means Yellow too?
Middle Irish blá (“yellow”)
EtymologyEdit
From *bʰel- (“to blow, swell up”).
RootEdit
*bʰleh₁-[1]
Derived termsEdit
► Terms derived from the PIE root *bʰleh₁- (blow)
RootEdit
*bʰleh₁-[3]
Derived termsEdit
► Terms derived from the PIE root *bʰleh₁- (bleat)
EtymologyEdit
From Old Occitan color, from Latin color, colōrem, from Old Latin colos, from Proto-Indo-European *ḱel- (“to hide, conceal”).
So ZirconZircon, Yellow, and Blue All mean roughly the same thing? They all mean Yellow!? And mean Clear, Bright, Blowing Flourishing? Woah my phone just typed or separated "hing" by itself, lets see what Hing says:
It brought this up:
The peers of Pluto's realm assembled been
Amid the palace of their angry King,
In hideous forms and shapes, tofore unseen,
That fear, death, terror and amazement bring,
With ugly paws some trample on the green,
Some gnaw the snakes that on their shoulders hing.
under which is written this:
From Proto-Finnic *henki. Cognate withFinnish henki.
NounEdit
hing (genitive hinge, partitive hinge)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Asafoetida.jpg/220px-Asafoetida.jpg
The yellow and very stinky Hing spice.
See, this Ghost inhabits everything, shows miracles and signs through everything!
ttps://youtu.be/WRCA_Fo0rWA
ttps://youtu.be/N3rZU7kOhAY
http://www.atour.com/education/pdf/SimoParpola-TheAssyrianTreeOfLife.pdf
ttp://www.atour.com/education/pdf/SimoParpola-TheAssyrianTreeOfLife.pdf
Through this silly speech, I was led to some very beautiful knowledge regarding The Master, and epithets for The Master from various Indo-European languages which I've been seeing on display constantly for the last two weeks maybe and more and now I've been given their deeper meanings, etymologies, and uses! Its even amazing they all had to do with each other but were showing up independently.
gold - Wiktionary
"
from Proto-Indo-European *ǵʰelh₃-(“yellow; gleam; to shine”). Related to yellow; see there for more. "
"
cognates from other Indo-European languages are Latvian zelts, Russian зо́лото(zóloto), Persian زرد (zard, “yellow, golden”),Sanskrit हिरण्य (hiraṇya). "
"
Premium,superior. "
"
The bullseye of an archery target. "
"
AdjectiveEdit
gold
- barren, desolate
- sterile (unable to reproduce)
- dry, (of a cow) not producing milk
En gold ko.
A dry cow.
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- goldhed ("barrenness, sterility") "
Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/ǵʰelh₃- - Wiktionary
Also Zircon from Zargun. (Zarenu "Gold" Gauna "Colored")
"
The name derives from the Persian zargun, meaning "gold-hued". "
This Yellow color which now can be used as a quick reminder of God encoded with its best meanings (Bright, Clear, Pure, Flourishing / Causing to Flourish).
Lets see Blue which has also been popping up like crazy:
from Proto-Indo-European *bʰlēw- (“yellow, blond, grey”).
What the YELL? Blue means Yellow too?
Middle Irish blá (“yellow”)
EtymologyEdit
From *bʰel- (“to blow, swell up”).
RootEdit
*bʰleh₁-[1]
- to blow
Derived termsEdit
► Terms derived from the PIE root *bʰleh₁- (blow)
RootEdit
*bʰleh₁-[3]
Derived termsEdit
► Terms derived from the PIE root *bʰleh₁- (bleat)
- *bʰleh₁-ye-ti (ye-present)
- Unsorted formations:
- Germanic: *blētijaną (see there for further descendants)
EtymologyEdit
From Old Occitan color, from Latin color, colōrem, from Old Latin colos, from Proto-Indo-European *ḱel- (“to hide, conceal”).
- gulur (“yellow”, adjective)
So ZirconZircon, Yellow, and Blue All mean roughly the same thing? They all mean Yellow!? And mean Clear, Bright, Blowing Flourishing? Woah my phone just typed or separated "hing" by itself, lets see what Hing says:
It brought this up:
The peers of Pluto's realm assembled been
Amid the palace of their angry King,
In hideous forms and shapes, tofore unseen,
That fear, death, terror and amazement bring,
With ugly paws some trample on the green,
Some gnaw the snakes that on their shoulders hing.
under which is written this:
From Proto-Finnic *henki. Cognate withFinnish henki.
NounEdit
hing (genitive hinge, partitive hinge)
- soul
- life-force
- a living being
- breath, breathing
Suits tõmbas hinge kinni.
The smoke suffocated me. (lit. "The smoke pulled (my) breathing to a close")
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Asafoetida.jpg/220px-Asafoetida.jpg
The yellow and very stinky Hing spice.
See, this Ghost inhabits everything, shows miracles and signs through everything!
ttps://youtu.be/WRCA_Fo0rWA
ttps://youtu.be/N3rZU7kOhAY
http://www.atour.com/education/pdf/SimoParpola-TheAssyrianTreeOfLife.pdf
ttp://www.atour.com/education/pdf/SimoParpola-TheAssyrianTreeOfLife.pdf
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Do you bow to anything? Like do you perform the prostration type kowtow gesture for or in any practices?
I think the costochondritis has improved, I may try groveling again soon, and what I grovel before is Satyam Ishvaro, Lord Truth, Indra, "Yellow/Gold" with its best meanings as displayed above in my speech!
Awesome! Can you list some of their names, from greatest to least? Whoever comes to mind as the chiefest and their names and epithets down to the lesser ranked in admiration though still great.
Vedas and Hinduism has a history going back to 6,000 years or more. How many names can I list?
Just the ones that come to mind as your favorites, then I'll try to look up the meanings of their names, the meanings of their names may be usable for me as epithets for The Truth, and so I can use them as reminders of God, names of God.
Buddha for example is for me God's name, and so if I say I worship the Buddha it is not the man most think of which I refer to.
Lucifer also, is most appropriate as God's name, as God is the true Bearer of Light in all forms both as the bearee and bringer of literal light and conceptual and physical light who is in some ways like light symbolically (unseen except known by what it is reflected upon and what reflects upon it!) or the Light as in "what makes manifest, what manifests, what makes seen, truth, revelation, knowledge, information" whatever. Yet, people use the word Buddha to refer to a man, the word Lucifer to refer to a demon.
That is because humans are pretty horrible little stupid creatures for the most part no doubt!
They call God's name Fafnir a dwarf and a dragon just like they call Kubera a dwarf and Vrtra a dragon when these are all references and epithets to the One Truth the One Power driving and encompassing their lives and experiences.
Amitabha they show as a man lol, and Avalokiteshvara they made into a woman GuanYin.
The humans are obsessed, and Lord Apollo they made into the image of a mouse, just because The Master is King of the Rats and Vermin and spreader of disease!
Then they saw that the Master commands the Raven and the constellation of the Raven has to do with the raining seasons for some. So they made stories with the Raven and the form of a Raven, instead of remember God of the Ravens. They do so even with the Moon.
The mind of the humans is kept diverted into the darkness of material worship, instead of remembering God, they all worship varieties of the Golden Cow, literally, the dead product, the slave, rather than the master.
So, Naraka awaits every one of them perhaps. Chained to the Chained.
I had a dream concerning death again, where someone was electronically trying to communicate from the spirit world, and they could be overheard speaking and behind them there was a chant, and in the chant or song were the words "Rain" and "Blood, Sweat, and Tears" and all the spirits or many took to repeating this over and over as they followed each other in the darkness with a fire somewhere in sight or some orange or yellow light. It was as though they thought that is what they ought to do since the others were doing it and were doing it before them and their arrival.
Sort of like life?
Duncan
Member
To understand Joseph Smith, it is good to look into his religion Mormonism, basically Mormons are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The name Latter-day comes from the belief that after the death of the early apostles, the Christian church fell into apostasy and needed to be restored in the “latter days”
At the most basic level Mormonism shares most Judeo-Christian beliefs; the creation of the world, the stories of Adam and Eve, the flood and the prophets. However they do take a slightly different approach to some of these stories. For example, Mormon’s believe that the archangel Michael was born on earth as Adam, the first mortal man. In the Mormon version of the creation story, Jesus Christ, who before his birth was the Jehovah of the Hebrew Bible, created the earth and all things on it at the direction of God the Father. This is a notion very similar to the beliefs of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The Mormon understanding of God is quite distinct from what most Christian denominations believe and it goes without saying that it is very different from both Judaism and Islam. Mormons believe that God is immortal and that He was once a man albeit a perfect and exalted man. God is not of another species, nor is he the great unknowable one; he is indeed our Father in heaven. God according to the Church of Latter-day Saints is literally the father of every human being. He has a body, and emotions like all human beings. To Muslims and Christians alike this sounds blasphemous and contributes to the reasons why most Christian denominations do not consider Mormons to be Christians. In fact in both the Catholic and Methodist denominations Mormons who convert are required to be baptised into the Christian faith, which is not usually the case when Christians leave one Christian denomination for another.
A Mormon belief that strikes at the very heart of anyone practising one of the Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) is the insistence that Jesus is the Son of God in the most literal sense. He is the eldest brother of all mortals and the firstborn spirit child of God. They believe that from Mary, a mortal woman, Jesus inherited the capacity to die, and from God, an exalted being, he inherited the capacity to live forever.
Consequently and based on what most Christians believe, the Mormon version of the Trinity is somewhat unusual. According to Mormons, the Trinity is a Godhead that consists of three separate, distinct beings, God the Father, also called Elohim, Jesus Christ, who is also the Jehovah of the Old Testament and the Holy Ghost. Mormons also believe that there is more than one God and that human beings have the potential to become gods.
Mormons earnestly believe that Jesus Christ began his restoration of his church on earth through the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1820. Joseph began having visions of restoring the church at age 14, and claimed to have the same teachings and basic organization as the Church established by Jesus in New Testament times.
According to an LDS official website, “In 1823 Joseph Smith was visited by a heavenly messenger named Moroni just as angels often appeared to Apostles in the New Testament. Moroni told Joseph about a record of the ancient inhabitants of the American continent (the Nephites) that was buried in a nearby hill and was written on thin metal sheets of gold.” Joseph found the plates near his home in Palmyra, New York. With heavenly inspiration, because Joseph did not understand the “reformed Egyptian” language written on the plates, he translated the book into English.The book was named the Book of Mormon after the ancient prophet who compiled it.
Along with the Book of Mormon, Mormons believe the Bible is sacred and like Muslims they believe that the words of God found in the Bible are a mixture of truth and error because many have been changed, or forgotten. However the Mormon version is in no way acceptable to Islam. The Mormon sacred scripture also includes a book called The Pearl of Great Price, which includes two lost books of the Bible, a translation of the Gospel of Matthew, and the 13 Articles of Faith; and The Doctrine and Covenants, a group of 138 revelations from God and two other official documents.
How about Joseph Smith's treasure hunting days, his tall tales, war with the United States Government, Controversies, Brigham Young, Brigham Young's Controversies, Adam as God Doctrine (Rejected), and the endless series of Man-Gods since time immemorial?
I'd also like to know all the dirt you can find on the founder of Sikhism and his Sufu friend, the founder of the Yezidi or who they love, and the Ismaeli Muslims (stemming from the Assassins but still ruled over by a man today).
Controversies about Paul and Paul as possibly Simon Magus or Simon Magus, and Marcion, and Valentinus.
Controversies regarding Augustine as well who is foundational to Christian thinking and whoever else.
Sully the names of all these people. That guy who fought the Caliphs, the Shia Founders too.
Throw in a few Jewish heretics while you're at it.
Include also the lies stated about Muhammed and why they aren't bad or are untrue or whatever (apologetics).
I think that would remain on topic for this thread, which we've basically hijacked (lol which is what we do).
This thread has been a wonderful collection of great writing. To sully the name of all the others (Polemics) is a useful rhetorical strategy in "proving" Islam.
I've focused mainly on requesting attacks and defamation on all Post-Muhammed figures mainly, and a few Post-Christ Christian ones.
Personally, none of these oo oo ah ah monkeys matter one bit to me. If someone found pictures, photographs and videos of Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) in the act of commiting hideous crimes, and blowing fire out of his nostrils or hennah colored snot, it would mean nothing to me, because the Qur'an is a collection of words, and these words can be used for good if one applies their intelligence, and to refer to the truth if one is cautious and patient, but can likewise, like any collection of words, be made fallacious in the hands of a dolt and a fool.
If a demonic pig version (Ganon/Ganondorf) of some person uttered words that could be made true, what does it matter the origin of the quote.
Should a people burn every mention if 2+2=4 after hearing how unattractive the first person who said it was, or even more obnoxiously, someone else who also said it was?
Muhammed is dead. If Muhammed was killed (which would only occur if God willed it), another would have uttered words of use. Likewise, another would have become the object of focus for people who love their bodies and need mommy's and daddy's to put their hopes and dreams in.
The Qur'an is babble to people who aren't allowed to understand how to make any use of it, just as the Vedas or Upanishads are lost on Puranic type literalists who can't understand or make good use of words.
Words are all these are and all that is left.
Whether Mutant Overlord Bab said anything of use, then make use of it, and if its all rubbish, even a person who doesn't otherwise sin can speak error and say 2+2=5. Even their error has use in looking into it and being inspired by it to counter it with the truth.
That is why the loss is to whoever can't make use or take advantage of things or who restricts themselves with their own made up taboos and kashrut laws and fetishes.
Otherwise, the whole of existence is made available to you, to pick from everything that is good and ripe and right, and put aside whatever does not compute, by our fault or the fault of the stars and the positioning of the words from our perspective.
Dirt upon the dead is useful so long as it leads one away from too much obsession and adoration upon a dead thing, dead even while it lived, like the face of the moon.
To give words life, one has to engage with them intelligently, filling them with the life giving blood of insight to run under their mundane surface.
The world is full of people judging poorly due to lame brains, they look at the body of the dog and never ask Lassie what they are trying to say, and so their innocence dies in the well, waiting for a dufus who never even realized that even dogs speak, with nothing to say.
2:26 (Modified Mohsin Khan)
Verily, Allah is not ashamed to set forth an example even of a mosquito (or gnat) or so much more when it is bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. And as for those who believe, they know that it is the Truth from their Lord, but as for those who disbelieve, they say: "What did Allah intend by this example?" By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah).
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
At the end it is your decision to believe whatever you want, but I believe that the Baha'i Faith is a new religion that was revealed by God to Baha'u'llah, and it is the most current Word of God that is pertinent to the age we live in. It is the most recent chapter of the eternal religion of God that is revealed in every age, but in the sense that it is a separate Revelation it has nothing to do with Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad.
“They that valiantly labor in quest of God, will, when once they have renounced all else but Him, be so attached and wedded unto that City, that a moment’s separation from it would to them be unthinkable. They will hearken unto infallible proofs from the Hyacinth of that assembly, and will receive the surest testimonies from the beauty of its Rose, and the melody of its Nightingale. Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned….
That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur’án; in this day, the Bayán; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest, His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 269-270
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Is it possible the logic could be that Baha'u'llah had read religious texts and he then interpreted them himself so that's where the similarities come from?
So what makes you think Baha'u'llah is not speaking his own imagination?
What if someone also had logical reasons that "the voice of the eternal" was in many (not all) religious texts around the world. But the voice is not in the words of Baha'u'llah. Would you listen to the reasons and consider them, or would you not?
Here is a pdf of the Qur'an:
http://www.qurandownload.com/english-quran-shakir-wb.pdf
313 PDF pages of text in English, Shakir translation.
Only 669 kb!
Some 6236 verses of varying lengths.
People breeze through it, but I don't reccomend you breeze through it but read it very slowly and carefully and as a way to arm yourself as well.
Then you can compare it to the following very famous texts:
Bhagavad Gita (Hinduism) 360 kb
https://www.dlshq.org/download/bgita.pdf
Dhammapada (Buddhism) 241 kb
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/scrndhamma.pdf
Guru Granth Sahib (Sikhism)
http://www.khalsadarbar.com/PDFs/SriGuruGranthSahibJiDarpanEnglish.pdf
Urantia Book (More Modern)
http://www.churchwithin.org/Urantia Book.pdf
If you want to go really old:
Vedas
https://zelalemkibret.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/the-4-vedas.pdf
Upanishads
https://estudantedavedanta.net/The-Upanishads-Translated-by-Swami-Paramananda.pdf
Yasna Avesta Gathas (Zoroastrianism)
AVESTA: YASNA: (English)
https://www.zarathushtra.com/z/gatha/dji/The Gathas - DJI.pdf
Tao Te Ching (Taoism):
http://sourceoflightmonastery.tripod.com/webonmediacontents/1935012.pdf
http://library.umac.mo/ebooks/b25641475.pdf
and, reading these and more, extract all you possibly can of inspiration, value, and application.
Remember to get Jiggy with it, using this song, before, in between, and after as well, and any time it may be helpful in your process or arming yourself with everything you can!
ttps://youtu.be/FdATpPUKeLw
There is Only One. All these Books Should be Taken as References Regarding The One, The Truth, The Dharmakaya, Adi Buddha, Al-Haqq, Tao, Supreme Tai Ji, The Master, The Ultimate, True Name (Sat Nam)
http://www.qurandownload.com/english-quran-shakir-wb.pdf
313 PDF pages of text in English, Shakir translation.
Only 669 kb!
Some 6236 verses of varying lengths.
People breeze through it, but I don't reccomend you breeze through it but read it very slowly and carefully and as a way to arm yourself as well.
Then you can compare it to the following very famous texts:
Bhagavad Gita (Hinduism) 360 kb
https://www.dlshq.org/download/bgita.pdf
Dhammapada (Buddhism) 241 kb
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/scrndhamma.pdf
Guru Granth Sahib (Sikhism)
http://www.khalsadarbar.com/PDFs/SriGuruGranthSahibJiDarpanEnglish.pdf
Urantia Book (More Modern)
http://www.churchwithin.org/Urantia Book.pdf
If you want to go really old:
Vedas
https://zelalemkibret.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/the-4-vedas.pdf
Upanishads
https://estudantedavedanta.net/The-Upanishads-Translated-by-Swami-Paramananda.pdf
Yasna Avesta Gathas (Zoroastrianism)
AVESTA: YASNA: (English)
https://www.zarathushtra.com/z/gatha/dji/The Gathas - DJI.pdf
Tao Te Ching (Taoism):
http://sourceoflightmonastery.tripod.com/webonmediacontents/1935012.pdf
http://library.umac.mo/ebooks/b25641475.pdf
and, reading these and more, extract all you possibly can of inspiration, value, and application.
Remember to get Jiggy with it, using this song, before, in between, and after as well, and any time it may be helpful in your process or arming yourself with everything you can!
There is Only One. All these Books Should be Taken as References Regarding The One, The Truth, The Dharmakaya, Adi Buddha, Al-Haqq, Tao, Supreme Tai Ji, The Master, The Ultimate, True Name (Sat Nam)
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It is logically possible. It is also logically possible that the scribes who wrote the Qur'an for Muhammad read the Torah and the New Testament and he then interpreted them, so that's where the similarities come from.
But there is no reason to believe that either Bahaullah or Muhammad copied the texts of the previous religions. That would make them plagiarists and that is not congruent with anything else we know about them. A plagiarist would not pretend to receive revelation from God for example.
What makes you think Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad were not speaking from their own imaginations? What do they have Baha’u’llah does not have as evidence that God spoke to them? There are scriptures and that is ALL we have as evidence, scriptures that were written by men, they were not written by Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad.
I would listen to them but they would have to have evidence to back their assertion.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
“The first principle Baha’u’llah urged was the independent investigation of truth. “Each individual,” He said, “is following the faith of his ancestors who themselves are lost in the maze of tradition. Reality is steeped in dogmas and doctrines. If each investigate for himself, he will find that Reality is one; does not admit of multiplicity; is not divisible. All will find the same foundation and all will be at peace.” – Abdu’l-Baha, Star of the West, Volume 3, p. 5.