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Well, I see no reason to put my faith in what Torah, Bible and Quran say; the Iranian even less.I believe this is a new age, the Messianic Age, and world peace was prophesied in the Bible.
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Well, I see no reason to put my faith in what Torah, Bible and Quran say; the Iranian even less.I believe this is a new age, the Messianic Age, and world peace was prophesied in the Bible.
I see no reason either since you call yourself a Hindu and an atheist.Well, I see no reason to put my faith in what Torah, Bible and Quran say; the Iranian even less.
Yeah, Buddha warned against that. Kesamutti Sutta (getting rid of being held by hair, Kesa = hair, mutti (Mukti) = release). The Buddha named ten specific sources whose knowledge should not be immediately viewed as truthful without further investigation to avoid fallacies:Sayings are not always true.
Because that is exactly what I am. I do not believe in existence of Gods and Goddesses, and I completely believe in importance of 'Dharma' (duties). I do not try to fulfill my duties of fear of any God or hell, I do it because of trying to be a responsible member of my society.I see no reason either since you call yourself a Hindu and an atheist.
That's true, and Baha'is believe that has already happened, which is why we are seeing the beginnings of unity and peace.The beginning of unity and peace, biblically, is Christ's return.
I do not really know much about Dharma but if it is duties that sounds good to be. Fulfilling our duties is more important than holding beliefs, Imo.Because that is exactly what I am. I do not believe in existence of Gods and Goddesses, and I completely believe in importance of 'Dharma' (duties).
Very true! I was just being cheeky.Sayings are not always true.
I understand.I do hope you're right about the world. I just struggle with believing that mankind will ever reach a true state of peace with ourselves - at least in this life.
Certainly among modern democracies there is no more war and there will be no more war. As for the world in its entirety, I think the philosophy of the day is that what we want is trade and business, and war is bad for business.In recent developments due to the corona virus, world leaders are on the verge of calling for a world ceasefire. So that monies can be spent on the health and well being of people.
Is this virus leading us and the world to establish world peace and rid the world finally of the curse and expense of war?
I believe peace is inevitable but I never imagined such a tiny virus to be the catalyst to push the world towards peace. With funding and economies strained and stressed it makes all the sense in the world that governments can no longer afford wars and an arms race when their populations are stricken with illness and they need monies for medicines and the well being of people.
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World unity and peace - the beginning?
The prophecies and how they were fulfilled by Baha’u’llah are delineated in the book Thief in the Night by William Sears.Trailblazer said: Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the prophecies for the return of Christ and the coming of the Messiah promised in the Old Testament.
Please provide scriptural references for this....
Trailblazer said: Jesus cannot now come and re-fulfill them because it's already been done.
What exactly has been done?
None of these verses are “Jesus” promising to return to earth. No such verses exist in the NT.Matthew 25:31-33,
“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. . . . .“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels."
I do not believe that Jesus is the King who is ruling from heaven. Jesus never said He would rule from heaven or rule on earth. Christians came to believe that because they misinterpreted scriptures. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus say He will rule. Jesus had four gospels to say He would rule if He had planned to rule, but Jesus never said that. Paul saying Jesus will rule does not count because Paul had an agenda to promote Jesus as Savior, a claim Jesus never made about Himself. Jesus knew nothing of any original sin so Jesus did not die as a ransom for our sins.Daniel 2:44, when prophesying about the Kingdom that Christ taught us to pray for says concerning the present day rulers...
“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever."
Jesus is the King of that Kingdom....but he ruling from heaven over earthly subjects.
I believe that Baha’u’llah came to usher in the Kingdom of God, as Jesus promised would happen. Jesus never promised to establish the Kingdom of God. I find it rather comical that Christians believe that Jesus will rule as a King, since Jesus never made any such claim. Christians believe that the verses listed on the following website refer to Jesus.Revelation 21:1-4...
A righteous "new heaven and new earth" are what we are awaiting (2 Peter 3:13)....a new form of rulership with Christ as King in heaven, assisted by his chosen ones from the earth, and a new earthly society of people who support God's Kingdom and are eager for it to rule over them. There will be no vestige of the old world with all its troubles left....we will never be troubled by them again...."the former things have passed away"...permanently.
The problem is, Jesus never made any such claim to be a “ransom for mankind” because Jesus knew nothing of original sin. Christians made these claims about Jesus long after Jesus died. Original sin was a Christian doctrine that was created by taking a story from the OT and trying to use it to support the need for Jesus to die as a ransom. It is all political, not religious.The mission for which Jesus was sent was accomplished in his death. That is what paid the ransom for mankind.
In his role as Messiah, Jesus glorified his Father and redeemed fallen mankind, paying a debt that was so big, no earthly person could provide it.
I believe that you got that part right, but what about the millions and millions of other Christians who are still waiting for Jesus to return to earth in His glorified resurrected body?"No more in the world" means exactly that. Jesus did not need to come into the world in the flesh ever again. He sacrificed his human body to save us and his glorified spiritual body in which he was raised will rule from heaven over the earth.
Jesus did not write the Book of Revelation so Jesus did not ‘say’ anything that is in it. Much of it is about the Messiah, so Christians just assumed it was about Jesus.Speaking of his anointed fellow rulers, Jesus said...."and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” (Revelation 5:10)
I do not see what I want to see, I see what the text says, and I read it in context It makes no sense to you because you have a preconceived belief about who Jesus was and what He will do, so you cannot understand what Jesus is actually saying, the plain meaning.That makes no sense at all to me. You see in those scriptures what you want to see...but you have to understand that the Bible backs itself up....no scripture can be taken in isolation unless the statement agrees with the whole Bible.
And all Christians are going to interpret that verse differently so what makes you think you know what it means? Baha’u’llah wrote that the Bible can have many meanings and there is no reason to think that there cannot be more than one meaning that is correct.Beliefs are all any of us have. We just have to have the right ones.
Jesus said that he would appoint a "faithful and discreet slave" to "feed" his household their "food at the proper time"....it is up to us to find that slave and feed on what he is serving....there is only one table and one truth....not many. (Matthew 24:45)
Spoken like a true Christian, but “I have no equals” never came from Jesus. Jesus said that God had no equals, and Jesus was not God so you can do the math.As a Christian I believe that Jesus had no equals. No one was prophesied to come after him, and he was Jewish, not Muslim.
Baha’i is not an offshoot of Islam anymore than Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. The Baha’i Faith grew out of Islam because Bahaullah was a Muslim, just as Christianity grew out of Judaism because Jesus was a Jew. However, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and the Baha’i Faith are all independent religions because they all had their own Founders who revealed different scriptures.Baha'i is an offshoot of Islam.
The tact that Baha’u’llah’s life was different from the life of Jesus does not contradict the Bible. There is no reason to believe that the return of Christ would be just like Jesus. Baha’u’llah was not put on earth to marry either, he just happened to be married.There are so many instances where Baha'i beliefs contradict the Bible.....where Baha'ullah's life is the complete opposite of Jesus' life.
The man had three wives and 14 children.....Jesus was not married because he was not put on this earth to marry and have a family ....and certainly not three wives.
The Laws of Moses and Jesus were abrogated by Muhammad so there were new laws in Islam that allowed for up to four wives. After the Dispensation of Muhammad ended, Baha’u’llah wrote a new Book of Laws so now we are back to monogamy. Please bear in mind that Baha’u’llah married His wives while He was still under Islamic law, long before He wrote His Book of Laws, so He broke no religious laws.Christianity did not in any way promote polygamy. Jesus reinstated God's standard for marriage in the first century....one man, one wife.
In recent developments due to the corona virus, world leaders are on the verge of calling for a world ceasefire. So that monies can be spent on the health and well being of people.
Is this virus leading us and the world to establish world peace and rid the world finally of the curse and expense of war?
I believe peace is inevitable but I never imagined such a tiny virus to be the catalyst to push the world towards peace. With funding and economies strained and stressed it makes all the sense in the world that governments can no longer afford wars and an arms race when their populations are stricken with illness and they need monies for medicines and the well being of people.
Amanpour and Company | UN Secretary-General Calls for Global Ceasefire | Season 2020
World unity and peace - the beginning?
The prophecies and how they were fulfilled by Baha’u’llah are delineated in the book Thief in the Night by William Sears.
None of these verses are “Jesus” promising to return to earth. No such verses exist in the NT.
I believe that the verses above are all referring to Baha’u’llah. The Son of man is a title and it ultimately comes from the Book of Daniel, where it refers to the Messiah, and is frequently used in the Gospels as a title of Jesus. Presumably the title is symbolic of the perfect humanity that Jesus represented. Jesus was the Son of man, and Bahaullah referred to Jesus as such. Bahaullah was the return of Christ so as such He was the return of the Son of man.
I do not believe that Jesus is the King who is ruling from heaven. Jesus never said He would rule from heaven or rule on earth. Christians came to believe that because they misinterpreted scriptures. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus say He will rule. Jesus had four gospels to say He would rule if He had planned to rule, but Jesus never said that.
Paul was used to write most of the Christian scriptures. Do you not think that if Paul was a fraud that God would know and prevent him from spreading lies about Jesus? Do you have no faith in God's ability to preserve his own word?The other apostles had God's spirit and they accepted Paul as an genuine apostle, though he was not one of the twelve.Paul saying Jesus will rule does not count because Paul had an agenda to promote Jesus as Savior, a claim Jesus never made about Himself. Jesus knew nothing of any original sin so Jesus did not die as a ransom for our sins.
Jesus did not give Paul any authority to change the gospel message. Paul transformed the ‘Faith of Jesus’ into ‘Faith in Jesus.’ Jesus, who never claimed religious worship for himself was not worshipped in the original community, is for Paul the pre-existent risen Christ, the Son of God. This was the ‘Fall’ of Christianity, that Paul with his ‘Gospel’, which became the core of Christian dogma formation and conquered the world, while the historic basis of Christianity was declared a heresy.
In each age of history, God orders the affairs of the world through one of His Manifestations, and I believe that the Manifestation of God for the present age is Baha’u’llah.
I believe that Baha’u’llah came to usher in the Kingdom of God, as Jesus promised would happen. Jesus never promised to establish the Kingdom of God. I find it rather comical that Christians believe that Jesus will rule as a King, since Jesus never made any such claim. Christians believe that the verses listed on the following website refer to Jesus.
But there are no verses listed that say Jesus is a King. In fact John 18:36-37 is Jesus saying His kingdom is not of this world and Jesus denies He is a King when He answers Pilate, saying “For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” Christians try to make verses about Jesus when they are not about Jesus, they refer to the return of Christ and the Messiah.
The problem is, Jesus never made any such claim to be a “ransom for mankind” because Jesus knew nothing of original sin. Christians made these claims about Jesus long after Jesus died. Original sin was a Christian doctrine that was created by taking a story from the OT and trying to use it to support the need for Jesus to die as a ransom. It is all political, not religious.
I believe that you got that part right, but what about the millions and millions of other Christians who are still waiting for Jesus to return to earth in His glorified resurrected body?
Jesus never said He would ‘rule’ from heaven over earth. It is amazing how all the Christians come up with a different idea of what Jesus “will do” at the Second Coming, and the fact that Christians do not agree demonstrates that there are many different ways the scriptures can be interpreted; yet all Christians ‘believe’ their interpretation is the correct one.
Again, your ignorance speaks....who gave the Revelation to John? Read Revelation 1:1.Jesus did not write the Book of Revelation so Jesus did not ‘say’ anything that is in it. Much of it is about the Messiah, so Christians just assumed it was about Jesus.
I do not see what I want to see, I see what the text says, and I read it in context It makes no sense to you because you have a preconceived belief about who Jesus was and what He will do, so you cannot understand what Jesus is actually saying, the plain meaning.
And all Christians are going to interpret that verse differently so what makes you think you know what it means? Baha’u’llah wrote that the Bible can have many meanings and there is no reason to think that there cannot be more than one meaning that is correct.
As far as others coming after Him, Jesus was the Comforter and Jesus promised that He would send ‘another Comforter’ and the Spirit of truth from the Father who Baha’is believe was Baha’u’llah. Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah were all prophesied in the Bible, OT and NT.
Baha’i is not an offshoot of Islam anymore than Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism.
The Baha’i Faith grew out of Islam because Bahaullah was a Muslim, just as Christianity grew out of Judaism because Jesus was a Jew. However, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and the Baha’i Faith are all independent religions because they all had their own Founders who revealed different scriptures.
The tact that Baha’u’llah’s life was different from the life of Jesus does not contradict the Bible. There is no reason to believe that the return of Christ would be just like Jesus. Baha’u’llah was not put on earth to marry either, he just happened to be married.
The Laws of Moses and Jesus were abrogated by Muhammad so there were new laws in Islam that allowed for up to four wives. After the Dispensation of Muhammad ended, Baha’u’llah wrote a new Book of Laws so now we are back to monogamy. Please bear in mind that Baha’u’llah married His wives while He was still under Islamic law, long before He wrote His Book of Laws, so He broke no religious laws.
None of these verses are “Jesus” promising to return to earth. No such verses exist in the NT.
I do not believe that Jesus is the King who is ruling from heaven. Jesus never said He would rule from heaven or rule on earth. Christians came to believe that because they misinterpreted scriptures. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus say He will rule. Jesus had four gospels to say He would rule if He had planned to rule, but Jesus never said that. Paul saying Jesus will rule does not count because Paul had an agenda to promote Jesus as Savior, a claim Jesus never made about Himself. Jesus knew nothing of any original sin so Jesus did not die as a ransom for our sins.
Jesus never promised to establish the Kingdom of God. I find it rather comical that Christians believe that Jesus will rule as a King, since Jesus never made any such claim. Christians believe that the verses listed on the following website refer to Jesus.
But there are no verses listed that say Jesus is a King. In fact John 18:36-37 is Jesus saying His kingdom is not of this world and Jesus denies He is a King when He answers Pilate, saying “For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” Christians try to make verses about Jesus when they are not about Jesus, they refer to the return of Christ and the Messiah.
World unity and peace - the beginning?
Sayings are not always true.
Or start of a new war? Bahaollah!
Add China, India and Saudi Arabia to big spenders on defense. The world order changeth.
That is not how the Bible tells it. Nor is anyone with an unpronounceable name prophesied to be "Christ returned". It beggars belief to me that anyone can acknowledge a prophet just on his say so. Baha’u’llah is no one to anyone but Baha'i's. He in no way scripturally represents the second coming of the Messiah for many reasons.
1) He had no credentials....nothing to demonstrate his claims. He didn't perform miracles nor did he institute the blessings of the Kingdom as Jesus promised he would on his return. (Revelation 21:2-4)
2) The wicked are still with us, death still takes lives and human suffering has not ceased... and Jesus said he was going to dispatch the wicked along with his angelic forces at the end of this age. (Matthew 13:36-43) Nothing Jesus predicted with his return has seen fulfillment with Baha’u’llah....most people have no idea how to even pronounce his name. (including me)
3) Baha’u’llah died of disease. Jesus Christ was a perfect human who would never have succumbed to illness or death by natural causes. He was not the son of humans but the Son of God, whose life was miraculously produced so that he would not inherit the sin of Adam. If you understand the ransom as it is explained in the Bible, you will see how absurd it is to think of a sinful human as the returned Christ....no matter how wise his words may seem.
4) Baha’u’llah was hailed as a prophet by men because they believed him and when he died they gave him an ornate burial tomb.....where is Jesus' burial tomb?
5) None of the prophesies concerning Messiah's return have been fulfilled in all these years after Baha’u’llah's death.....in fact the world has gotten progressively worse.
Spiritual insight is essential to discern the return of Christ....Jesus gave a "sign" of his "presence" NOT of his "coming".
Christ's return was to be heralded by the world events that he foretold at Matthew 24:3-14. It was a time period in which all of the signs would be seen within a generation. We have seen them all.
First...there was to be unprecedented warfare, like we saw in 1914 with the outbreak of the world's first global conflict, in which all nations were forced through their alliances to participate. It came about when no one was expecting it. The assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand in Sarajevo came to be called "the shot that was heard around the world" because of the ramifications of that one act of violence. It triggered a domino effect that plunged the whole world into war that nobody saw coming.
Then there were food shortages caused by the war, and the outbreak of a pandemic called "the Spanish Flu" that took more lives than the war did. There were great earthquakes and people claiming to be the returned Christ, but were false prophets.
There was to be an increase in lawlessness and as a consequence, the love that people once practiced for their neighbors and towards one another, was to disappear along with trust.....there are so many scammers and liars about that you really can't trust anyone anymore. Institutions that people once trusted have now been exposed as ripping us off for decades. The underbelly of this world is a cess pit of corruption. God promised to expose it at the time of the end. (2 Peter 3:10)