Trump vs. Reporter: "When Somebody Is The President Of The United States, The Authority Is Total"
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"... The Authority Is Total"
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... And the lunacy is incurable, so it would seem.
If the United States didn't have three separate, co-equal branches of government and a robust constitutional architecture, I'd be even more worried for the world than I already am (which happens to be extremely worried).
Orban was able to suspend the Hungarian parliament indefinitely under his emergency "coronacrisis" decree. Mercifully, Congress cannot - to my knowledge - receive similar treatment under the U.S. Constitution, owing to the separation of powers.
His intentions, however, are abundantly clear. If he could rule by executive fiat without the need for congressional oversight of his actions, judicial review and the healthy criticism of a free press, then he would in a heartbeat.
If the United States didn't have three separate, co-equal branches of government and a robust constitutional architecture, I'd be even more worried for the world than I already am (which happens to be extremely worried).
Orban was able to suspend the Hungarian parliament indefinitely under his emergency "coronacrisis" decree. Mercifully, Congress cannot - to my knowledge - receive similar treatment under the U.S. Constitution, owing to the separation of powers.
His intentions, however, are abundantly clear. If he could rule by executive fiat without the need for congressional oversight of his actions, judicial review and the healthy criticism of a free press, then he would in a heartbeat.
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Lots to pick through this too:
Trump wants to ‘wall off America from the world’ and will stop at nothing to get re-elected, warns former aide
Like this:
“Trump did things that are pathologically associated with people who act like dictators and tyrants,” Mr Scaramucci said. “Just go down the list. What did he do? Number one, he started to viciously attack the press. Number two, he started to throw out anybody in his path in the administration that he thought was one syllable off of what he thought, so there couldn’t be anything but uniform thinking. Everybody had to be like a Politburo, unanimous voting around him. And then the last thing he’s doing that’s also a very important part of that change is that he has dialled up the anger and racist license in the country. He’s gone full tribal.”
Trump wants to ‘wall off America from the world’ and will stop at nothing to get re-elected, warns former aide
Like this:
“Trump did things that are pathologically associated with people who act like dictators and tyrants,” Mr Scaramucci said. “Just go down the list. What did he do? Number one, he started to viciously attack the press. Number two, he started to throw out anybody in his path in the administration that he thought was one syllable off of what he thought, so there couldn’t be anything but uniform thinking. Everybody had to be like a Politburo, unanimous voting around him. And then the last thing he’s doing that’s also a very important part of that change is that he has dialled up the anger and racist license in the country. He’s gone full tribal.”
Trump can't stop me from going to the shop to do some carpentry work.
Neither can governor Frau Hitler.
Hey, someone else started it....I'm just go'n with the flow.
Neither can governor Frau Hitler.
Hey, someone else started it....I'm just go'n with the flow.
And this Constitution is to be safeguarded by the Supreme Court and Attorneys General. We see which way this is going. We were warned by the founding fathers that we were given a Republic, if we can keep it.
"Asked whether there had been clashes between [him and Dr. Fauci], Trump said, “We have been from the beginning. I don’t mind controversy, I think controversy is a good thing, not a bad thing.”"
Trump claims 'total authority' and attacks media in chaotic coronavirus briefing
Our reality TV President has really got to go. Thoughtful conservatives have to be crawling out of their skin in embarrassment at this guy. Surely there's a more substantive leader for your movement? Someone who at least understands separation of powers? Your team is supposed to be constitutionalists.
Trump claims 'total authority' and attacks media in chaotic coronavirus briefing
Our reality TV President has really got to go. Thoughtful conservatives have to be crawling out of their skin in embarrassment at this guy. Surely there's a more substantive leader for your movement? Someone who at least understands separation of powers? Your team is supposed to be constitutionalists.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Such a weird thing to say, given that last week he was going on about how he's so concerned about overstepping the Constitution in order to shut down the whole country.
Now he's going on about having total authority to command all the states to open up again.
It's almost like he just shoots off at the mouth at any given moment, without thinking anything through.
Now he's going on about having total authority to command all the states to open up again.
It's almost like he just shoots off at the mouth at any given moment, without thinking anything through.
For work I've taken the "DiSC" personality inventory before, which I've found insightful. D is for Dominant, and Trump is a classic. They thrive on conflict and hate detail, care about bottom line results only.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
If he wins a further term, expect a constitutional amendment to be on the agenda.
he wants real total power.
For life.
And to start a dynasty, to be able to pass it down the family.
If he had the choice? do you doubt it?
he wants real total power.
For life.
And to start a dynasty, to be able to pass it down the family.
If he had the choice? do you doubt it?
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Narcissists are known for such behavior
Narcissists's favorite = play God
Narcissists are said to be stuck emotionally at age 4
Maybe Trump is not a narcissist
But I won't put my money on it
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Here is a .pdf from the CDC: Selected Federal Legal Authorities Pertinent to Public Health Emergencies
https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/ph-emergencies.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/ph-emergencies.pdf
Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act: Regulations to Control Communicable Diseases 42 U.S.C. § 264 This section of the Public Health Service Act authorizes the Secretary of HHS to make and enforce regulations “to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases” into the states and possessions of the United States from foreign countries or possessions or from one state into another. This section also authorizes the apprehension, detention, examination, and conditional release of individuals with certain communicable diseases that are specified in an executive order of the President (see Executive Order 13296 (April 4, 2003), as amended by Executive Order 13375 (April 1, 2005) and Executive Order 13674 [July 31, 2014]). The process prescribed for isolating or quarantining such individuals is provided for in 42 C.F.R. Parts 70 and 71 (see below).
• Interstate Quarantine 42 C.F.R. Part 70 These federal regulations allow the CDC Director to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases from one state or possession into another, including in the event that the Director determines that the measures taken by the health authorities of a state (including political subdivisions) or possession are insufficient to prevent such communicable disease spread. These regulations also authorize the detention, isolation, quarantine, or conditional release of persons for purposes of preventing the interstate spread of communicable diseases listed in an executive order of the President. See Executive Order 13296, as amended by Executive Order 13375 and Executive Order 13674.
Foreign Quarantine 42 C.F.R. Part 71 These federal regulations allow the CDC Director to take measures to prevent the introduction, transmission, and spread of communicable diseases into the United States from foreign countries. Among other things, the regulations require the commander of an aircraft or master of a ship destined for a US port to report the occurrence of any deaths or ill persons onboard to CDC. These regulations also authorize the Director to inspect and detain ships and planes arriving into the United States as may be necessary to prevent the spread of communicable diseases, as well as regulate the importation of infectious biological agents, infectious substances, and vectors. The Director may also isolate, quarantine, or place arriving persons under public health surveillance whenever the Director reasonably believes that the person is 10 infected with or has been exposed to any of the communicable diseases listed in an executive order of the President. See Executive Order 13296, as amended by Executive Order 13375 and Executive Order 13674.
Executive Order 13375: Amendment to Executive Order 13295 Relating to Certain Influenza Viruses and Quarantinable Communicable Diseases (April 1, 2005) This Executive Order amends Executive Order 13295 by adding “influenza caused by novel or reemergent influenza viruses that are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic” to the list of communicable diseases for which an individual can be apprehended, detained, examined, or conditionally released by federal public health authorities under 42 C.F.R. §§ 70 and 71.
Control of Communicable Diseases 21 C.F.R. Part 1240 Similar to the regulations governing interstate quarantine, these regulations allow the FDA Commissioner to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases from one state or possession into another in the event that the Commissioner determines that the measures taken by the health authorities of a state (including political subdivisions) or possession are insufficient to prevent such communicable disease spread. These regulations also govern the interstate transport of mollusks, milk, turtles, certain birds, garbage, and drinking water.
• Interstate Quarantine 42 C.F.R. Part 70 These federal regulations allow the CDC Director to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases from one state or possession into another, including in the event that the Director determines that the measures taken by the health authorities of a state (including political subdivisions) or possession are insufficient to prevent such communicable disease spread. These regulations also authorize the detention, isolation, quarantine, or conditional release of persons for purposes of preventing the interstate spread of communicable diseases listed in an executive order of the President. See Executive Order 13296, as amended by Executive Order 13375 and Executive Order 13674.
Foreign Quarantine 42 C.F.R. Part 71 These federal regulations allow the CDC Director to take measures to prevent the introduction, transmission, and spread of communicable diseases into the United States from foreign countries. Among other things, the regulations require the commander of an aircraft or master of a ship destined for a US port to report the occurrence of any deaths or ill persons onboard to CDC. These regulations also authorize the Director to inspect and detain ships and planes arriving into the United States as may be necessary to prevent the spread of communicable diseases, as well as regulate the importation of infectious biological agents, infectious substances, and vectors. The Director may also isolate, quarantine, or place arriving persons under public health surveillance whenever the Director reasonably believes that the person is 10 infected with or has been exposed to any of the communicable diseases listed in an executive order of the President. See Executive Order 13296, as amended by Executive Order 13375 and Executive Order 13674.
Executive Order 13375: Amendment to Executive Order 13295 Relating to Certain Influenza Viruses and Quarantinable Communicable Diseases (April 1, 2005) This Executive Order amends Executive Order 13295 by adding “influenza caused by novel or reemergent influenza viruses that are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic” to the list of communicable diseases for which an individual can be apprehended, detained, examined, or conditionally released by federal public health authorities under 42 C.F.R. §§ 70 and 71.
Control of Communicable Diseases 21 C.F.R. Part 1240 Similar to the regulations governing interstate quarantine, these regulations allow the FDA Commissioner to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases from one state or possession into another in the event that the Commissioner determines that the measures taken by the health authorities of a state (including political subdivisions) or possession are insufficient to prevent such communicable disease spread. These regulations also govern the interstate transport of mollusks, milk, turtles, certain birds, garbage, and drinking water.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well who is supposed to be in charge then?
The President, or what can be best described as the Star wars council?
The President, or what can be best described as the Star wars council?
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
re: President Donald Trump and White House Coronavirus Task Force Daily Press Briefing | FULL — 4/13/20
Although the quality of the video transcript of that fiasco is poor, I've attached it below. Don Pedejo's performance was stunningly outrageous. There were a good number of memorable moments, but my personal favorites were these two:
At about 62:25, President Buffoon said:
Although the quality of the video transcript of that fiasco is poor, I've attached it below. Don Pedejo's performance was stunningly outrageous. There were a good number of memorable moments, but my personal favorites were these two:
At about 62:25, President Buffoon said:
- 62:25 let me just tell you very simple
62:27 I'm gonna put it very simply the
62:29 President of the United States has the
62:31 authority to do what the president has
62:33 the authority to do which is very
62:35 powerful the president of the United
62:37 States calls the shots
- 75:56 you said when someone is President
76:00 of the United States their authority is
76:02 total. that is not true.
- 76:06 we're going to write up papers on this,
76:09 it's not going to be necessary because
76:11 the governor's need us one way or the
76:13 other, because ultimately it comes with the
76:16 federal government.
- 80:58 well make no mistake about it, in
81:00 the long history of this country, the
81:03 authority of the President of the United
81:04 States during national emergencies is
81:07 unquestionably plenary.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
The deeply sad thing is how almost half the population will readily sell this nation and its values out, just for the gratification of a "win" at such a monumental cost.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Oh the other hand, had a dem president declared total power...
MNoBody
Well-Known Member
only within the jurisdiction of their treaty.
of course as all tyrants tend to do this junta could completely ignore good form and just seize whatever they want...because, well, we say so...... and they hold the gun to the head of the people
interesting world you humans have created for yourselves....or did you have help getting this deep into it?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
The presidency isn't an autocracy, dumdum.
Separation of powers - Wikipedia
This is supposed to be a nation of liberty, but of course Trumpers would throw that away without a thought.
