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Can You Choose What You Believe?

SalixIncendium

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Can you choose what you believe?

To be clear, I'm not asking if you can choose your religion or if you can choose what to label yourself or your views.

Can you choose what to believe or disbelieve? Or are such core convictions or biases inherent in the individual based on experiences? Or are they based on something else? If so, what?
 

Windwalker

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Can you choose what you believe?

To be clear, I'm not asking if you can choose your religion or if you can choose what to label yourself or your views.

Can you choose what to believe or disbelieve? Or are such core convictions or biases inherent in the individual based on experiences? Or are they based on something else? If so, what?
Oh, absolutely we can choose what we believe. That's true of everything. Especially when it comes to the things we tell ourselves are true about ourselves. We can hear that negative naysayer, or accuser as some call it, telling us we can't do this, we aren't good enough, others think we are weak, or stupid, or ugly, or what have you. Every time we listen to that voice, we are in fact choosing to believe what it says. We can also choose to not believe it.

This is what basic cognitive therapies are based upon. And I'll add it's very much core to religious faith as well. To choose to believe in positive things, one can be energized emotionally, mentally, and physically. To choose to believe negative things, has the exact opposite effect of sapping and draining that energy to where we become a lump. So yes, it really comes down to choice in what we believe.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Can you choose what you believe?

To be clear, I'm not asking if you can choose your religion or if you can choose what to label yourself or your views.

Can you choose what to believe or disbelieve? Or are such core convictions or biases inherent in the individual based on experiences? Or are they based on something else? If so, what?
To an extent you can make a choice as to what you believe. The Bible sums it up, " Faith comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the word of God."

So, seemingly exposure and study by choice can influence belief. This makes sense.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Can you choose what you believe?

To be clear, I'm not asking if you can choose your religion or if you can choose what to label yourself or your views.

Can you choose what to believe or disbelieve? Or are such core convictions or biases inherent in the individual based on experiences? Or are they based on something else? If so, what?


This is almost mandatory for many in RF, imho....
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
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Oh, absolutely we can choose what we believe. That's true of everything. Especially when it comes to the things we tell ourselves are true about ourselves. We can hear that negative naysayer, or accuser as some call it, telling us we can't do this, we aren't good enough, others think we are weak, or stupid, or ugly, or what have you. Every time we listen to that voice, we are in fact choosing to believe what it says. We can also choose to not believe it.

Are we really choosing to believe it or disbelieve what others tell us or what we tell ourselves, or do we believe or disbelieve what others tell us or what we tell ourselves based on our core biases and convictions that are a product of our experiences?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Can you choose what you believe?

To be clear, I'm not asking if you can choose your religion or if you can choose what to label yourself or your views.

Can you choose what to believe or disbelieve? Or are such core convictions or biases inherent in the individual based on experiences? Or are they based on something else? If so, what?

We can choose to believe anything is true dispute whether it's fact or not otherwise.

People have core convictions because they put trust in beliefs they feel.are worthy of it based on experience and their criteria of common sense.
 

Windwalker

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Are we really choosing to believe it or disbelieve what others tell us or what we tell ourselves, or do we believe or disbelieve what others tell us or what we tell ourselves based on our core biases and convictions that are a product of our experiences?
That's a good question. I'd still say we choose to believe or disbelieve. Those core biases and convictions are a part of a feedback system along with beliefs and experiences. It is a self-reinforcing feedback loop, with beliefs choosing thoughts and actions, which create experiences, which inform core values, which inform beliefs, which inform thoughts and actions, and so on and so forth.

It is a cycle that largely remains unexamined in most, simply running the program where we either just keep on course, whether towards the positive, the negative, or just simply maintaining status quo.

But at a certain point, someone can break that patterned response cycle, by an act of the Will. It begins with that choice. Once that choice is made, then what is allowed to inform the system will be willfully selected. "I want to be happy," means I will choose to not believe in self-defeating negative things. That will then affect my experiences, which will in turn affect my core biases and values, which will then continue to choose to believe positive things rather than negative; and on it goes into a new patterned response.

If someone is not actively, or consciously choosing at the moment, and are simply running the habituated response programs, they are implicitly choosing every time to continue that patterned response. They are simply choosing to let it run.

Hopefully that gives a better description of why I am saying that choice is always present, whether actively or passively. To actively choose with the Will to change that cycle, is what leads to radical transformation. We begin to wake up to ourselves and see we have a choice of what we want to believe in.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
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Can you choose what you believe?

To be clear, I'm not asking if you can choose your religion or if you can choose what to label yourself or your views.

Can you choose what to believe or disbelieve? Or are such core convictions or biases inherent in the individual based on experiences? Or are they based on something else? If so, what?

No. If to believe means to be convinced something is true, you can't choose to believe something. If you encounter information that convinces you it's true, then by definition you believe it. Once you believe, you can't stop believing until something else convinces you that you were incorrect.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Can you choose what you believe?

To be clear, I'm not asking if you can choose your religion or if you can choose what to label yourself or your views.

Can you choose what to believe or disbelieve? Or are such core convictions or biases inherent in the individual based on experiences? Or are they based on something else? If so, what?
I tend to think we are products of our surroundings and environment.

I take that would have a large impact on what people believe.
 

Windwalker

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No. If to believe means to be convinced something is true, you can't choose to believe something. If you encounter information that convinces you it's true, then by definition you believe it.
But you are choosing to be convinced. Others who don't believe that same thing you are choosing to be convinced of, are choosing to be convinced by something else.

"A man convinced against his will, remains of same opinion still". That's why.
 

SalixIncendium

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Yes. It means put your trust that something is true. Doesn't mean it is. It just means they put faith that it is.

They can accept anything is true. Doesn't mean it is but to most that's not the point.

I'm not talking about me or they. I'm talking about you.

You can put your trust in believing that unicorns and leprechauns exist? Right now? You can step away from reading this post making the conscious choice to believe their existence is true?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
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Yes. It means put your trust that something is true. Doesn't mean it is. It just means they put faith that it is.

They can accept anything is true. Doesn't mean it is but to most that's not the point.

You can't put your trust in something unless you have a reason to believe it's trustworthy. You can't choose to believe something is trustworthy if you're convinced it isn't.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I'm not talking about me or they. I'm talking about you.

You can put your trust in believing that unicorns and leprechauns exist? Right now? You can step away from reading this post making the conscious choice to believe their existence is true?

Same point. I can put my trust that unicorns are real. My belief doesn't make unicorns exists. It just means I (and others) can put belief in something, idea, person, etc.

I can choose to believe, I don't know, I can fly. Believe all I want but whether it's true or not is irrelevant.
 

SalixIncendium

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Same point. I can put my trust that unicorns are real. My belief doesn't make unicorns exists. It just means I (and others) can put belief in something, idea, person, etc.

I can choose to believe, I don't know, I can fly. Believe all I want but whether it's true or not is irrelevant.

I think you may be confusing 'belief' with 'make believe.' I don't see the two concepts to be the same.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
You can't put your trust in something unless you have a reason to believe it's trustworthy. You can't choose to believe something is trustworthy if you're convinced it isn't.

Yes you can. It's you're choice to determine if it's worthy of you're trust. Whether it is or not doesn't matter. Belief doesn't make it fact so you can choose what you put your trust in what you accept is true.

If you're convinced that it is true, than you can choose to believe it. I do believe Jesus is the Eucharist, but I choose believe something more worthy of my trust.

We can choose to accept X is true regardless of whether it's reasonable or not.
 
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