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It's not really necessary to horde. Just buy at least an extra couple of weeks of food. If you usually shop for a week just get at least one week of extra food, then each time you go to the store after that buy a few days extra food.
Needless to say, at least with food retailers are preparing for the storm because we have warning -- it's not going to be like it was in China and they've already been upping the deliveries to stores as they know some people are stocking up. If you are getting trouble getting things know that most stores restock overnight when people aren't in the store so if you get there early in the AM you have a real good chance of getting anything you need. You can live on rice and beans forever if you're supplementing with vitamins -- something to know. (Most people are probably taking vitamins anyway, lol.) Sure, it isn't enjoyable to eat that way for a long time but you can get rice and beans for a dollar a pound. Really, nothing is cheaper. You can get cans of tuna, beef, and other meats to throw in so you are getting the right amount of fats in addition to the protein and carbs. Peanut butter is great but bread becomes the problem -- you can store a finite amount in your freezer but it takes a lot of space. But, even if you eat peanut butter right out of the jar it's a really good source of proteins and fats. Crackers keep nearly forever, so they can become your bread.
Masks are not needed for healthy people, but you should at least try to have a box of them for whoever is sick to wear. You can also deal with this with self-quarantine. (anyone that's sick stays in their room other than for bathroom and then no one gets near them, lol) You don't need a ton of masks though -- these can be washed by putting them in 99% rubbing alcohol and just left to soak for awhile. Once they dry they can be reused. Keep the alcohol in a resealable container and you won't even need tons of that. (there is nothing that will live in there, so you can just keep using it over and over again...)
Anyway, for most people this disease isn't any worse than the normal flu. The kill count is coming from the usual culprits -- elderly folks and people who have pre-existing conditions which compromise their immune system. In otherwords, don't panic if you are normally healthy you have nothing to fear. It's more of a danger for you to spread it to weakened folks than what it will do to you if you get it. The real problem will be people making runs on supplies so just get enough to weather the storm if it happens (about a months worth). I think if there are any supply problems it'll be a week or two while the system adjusts, but I say double it because if you get sick you won't be able to go to the store and you're probably gonna be down for a week or two.
Cooky
Veteran Member
There have been 6 deaths so far in Washington State.
"The deaths that were announced Monday include three women — two in their 80s and one in her 70s. The fourth patient was a man in his 40s, according to the Snohomish County Health District."
Coronavirus: 6 Deaths In U.S.; Cases Reported In Florida, New York and Georgia
"The deaths that were announced Monday include three women — two in their 80s and one in her 70s. The fourth patient was a man in his 40s, according to the Snohomish County Health District."
Coronavirus: 6 Deaths In U.S.; Cases Reported In Florida, New York and Georgia
Most of these have been occurring out of the same nursing home in Kirkland. Again, it's the usual culprits -- elderly and weakened people. Unless they've already done something drastic the nursing home is going to be the heavy hitter as far as the body count. By the time you notice something like that in the general population the nurses and all the residents have already been exposed.
Good morning all, I am sure everyone has been getting all kinds of forwards re the Coronavirus, however I received this one and personally think it makes more sense to me, that’s just my personal opinion so I am sharing
The author is James Robb, MD UC San Diego
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic
Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us! Jim
James Robb, MD FCAP
The author is James Robb, MD UC San Diego
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic
Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us! Jim
James Robb, MD FCAP
Thief
Rogue Theologian
dude......if you walk through an area that someone sneezed in
the droplets will hit your face
TAG....you're it!
the bugger has gone air borne
and that's why everyone is going for the mask
I for one do not believe the mask will help
once air borne.....and able to survive for days
it can circle the globe on it's own
making 'pitstops' as it goes
and we are the pitstops
Talk to Dr. Robb, not me.
Meantime, everything I've read on the subject says that the droplets are too large to remain airborne for any length of time. Gravity drags them down to surfaces where they can survive for up to a week.
To be sure, if you walk where somebody has just sneezed moments ago, you scenario may be the case, but in most situations, that won't happen (crowded transit vehicles, malls and places where people congregate are the most likely venues for that sort of thing).
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
I would add that grains are practical too, in the event of a protracted emergency.
Sprouted grins are more nutritious and bulky than unsprouted grains, and it only takes a little water and sunlight to do it.
You get more vitamins, enzymes and aminos by sprouting.
And lots of ready to eat greens.
You don’t even need to cook it.
Is Sprouted Food Actually Healthier?
Are sprouted grains more nutritious than regular whole grains? - Harvard Health Blog
We Never Know
No Slack
According to this link, there have been cases confirmed in the following states..
Washington, California, Oregon, Arizona, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Florida, New York, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.
Which U.S. States Have Confirmed Coronavirus Cases?
Washington, California, Oregon, Arizona, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Florida, New York, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.
Which U.S. States Have Confirmed Coronavirus Cases?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
yep......looks air borne
Actually, you shouldn't eat much grains at all. But.. they have the convenience of being cheap. Most grains contain low grades of mycotoxins (cancerous causing substances), but in an emergency they're generally cheap and available food.
As far as sprouting if we're talking about a survival situation your time is better off spent elsewhere if you ask me. It's not so much about proper nutrition in this case, but about sustaining a reasonable carb/fat/protein load until you can eat without worry. Sprouting grains are high in nutrients but low in the essential fuels you need to get through the trouble period. So, you eat them with something else. For the work though I find it a worthless exercise because it's not something you need to do to get through the next day though for long term health it's probably a great idea.
This is taken directly from "The Scientist" March 2 issue.
The main route of transmission for COVID-19
Like the flu, COVID-19 is spread primarily via respiratory droplets—little blobs of liquid released as someone coughs, sneezes, or talks. Viruses contained in these droplets can infect other people via the eyes, nose, or mouth—either when they land directly on somebody’s face or when they’re transferred there by people touching their face with contaminated hands.
Because respiratory droplets are too heavy to remain suspended in the air, direct person-to-person transmission normally only happens when people are in close contact—within about six feet of each other, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). It could also occur in a medical setting, if someone has to handle respiratory secretions such as saliva or mucus from an infected person.
EH - Emphasis added
Thief
Rogue Theologian
where I work the floor boss made the expected announcement and offered some precautions
he did not mention the door ... in and out of the production floor
think like this
I leave the floor headed to the men's room
I push the door using that stainless steel wear plate
I go to the men's room and immediately stick my hands......in my pants
I then wash and return to the floor pulling the steel grip to open the door
so.....I leave the floor to the men's room
and smear my hand on the door on the way there
and immediately put that smear in my underwear
and wear it home
and though I washed my hands before returning to the production floor
I gripped the handle of the door we all hold in common
get the picture?
he did not mention the door ... in and out of the production floor
think like this
I leave the floor headed to the men's room
I push the door using that stainless steel wear plate
I go to the men's room and immediately stick my hands......in my pants
I then wash and return to the floor pulling the steel grip to open the door
so.....I leave the floor to the men's room
and smear my hand on the door on the way there
and immediately put that smear in my underwear
and wear it home
and though I washed my hands before returning to the production floor
I gripped the handle of the door we all hold in common
get the picture?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
not debating
but not buying it either
it's moving to fast to be under my boot
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Gif map showing progressive countries with confirmed cases
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/gif/2020/02/Corona.gif
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/gif/2020/02/Corona.gif
We Never Know
No Slack
Or maybe the infected, not knowing they are infected, simply take it with them and spread it.
At any given moment there are approximately 5,000 aircraft traversing the U.S. skies.
There are 44,000 average daily flights in and out of the U.S. every day.
There are 2.7 million passengers in and out of the U.S. daily.
Air Traffic By The Numbers
We Never Know
No Slack
I agree they are to heavy to remain in the air but I wonder on a windy day how far they can travel in the wind.
1 block?
3 blocks?
1/4 mile?
1/2 mile?
We probably don't know.