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I don't believe your dawah is correct.A fair way to approach a holy book is to say, what does it say regarding women. Is it just or unjust? Fair or unfair to them? ...
Men can beat their rebellious wives/concubines until they obey, and even turn green with bruises:
Surah 4:34 (Pickthall translation) -
“... Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. ...”
Surah 4:34 (Shakir translation) -
Even Yusuf-Ali's notation on Surah 4:34 states:
The Tafsir of Al-Jalalain states:
The Tafsir of Ibn Kathir (Abridges 10 Volume) states on surah 4:34:
The Reliance of the Traveller (Sharia (Islamic Law) Code book) states:
“... Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. ...”
Surah 4:34 (Shakir translation) -
“... 34. Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and [as to] those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. ...”
Even Yusuf-Ali's notation on Surah 4:34 states:
"... 547 In case of family jars four steps are mentioned, to be taken in that order: (1) perhaps verbal advice or admonition may be sufficient; (2) if not, sex relations may be suspended; (3) if this is not sufficient, some slight physical correction may be administered; but Imam Shafi'i considers this inadvisable, though permissible, and all authorities are unanimous in deprecating any sort of cruelty, even of the nagging kind, as mentioned in the next clause; (4)-if all this fails, a family council is recommended in 4:35 below. ..."
The Tafsir of Al-Jalalain states:
"... [4:34]
Men are in charge of, they have authority over, women, disciplining them and keeping them in check,
because of that with which God has preferred the one over the other, that is, because God has given them the advantage over women, in knowledge, reason, authority and otherwise, and because of what they expend, on them [the women], of their property. Therefore righteous women, among them, are obedient, to their husbands, guarding in the unseen, that is, [guarding] their private parts and otherwise during their spouses’ absence, because of what God has guarded, for them, when He enjoined their male spouses to look after them well. And those you fear may be rebellious, disobedient to you, when such signs appear, admonish them, make them fear God, and share not beds with them, retire to other beds if they manifest such disobedience, and strike them, but not violently, if they refuse to desist [from their rebellion] after leaving them [in separate beds]. If they then obey you, in what is desired from them, do not seek a way against them, a reason to strike them unjustly. God is ever High, Great, so beware of Him, lest He punish you for treating them unjustly. ..."
Men are in charge of, they have authority over, women, disciplining them and keeping them in check,
because of that with which God has preferred the one over the other, that is, because God has given them the advantage over women, in knowledge, reason, authority and otherwise, and because of what they expend, on them [the women], of their property. Therefore righteous women, among them, are obedient, to their husbands, guarding in the unseen, that is, [guarding] their private parts and otherwise during their spouses’ absence, because of what God has guarded, for them, when He enjoined their male spouses to look after them well. And those you fear may be rebellious, disobedient to you, when such signs appear, admonish them, make them fear God, and share not beds with them, retire to other beds if they manifest such disobedience, and strike them, but not violently, if they refuse to desist [from their rebellion] after leaving them [in separate beds]. If they then obey you, in what is desired from them, do not seek a way against them, a reason to strike them unjustly. God is ever High, Great, so beware of Him, lest He punish you for treating them unjustly. ..."
The Tafsir of Ibn Kathir (Abridges 10 Volume) states on surah 4:34:
"... (beat them) means, if advice and ignoring her in the bed do not produce the desired results,
you are allowed to discipline the wife, without severe beating. Muslim recorded that Jabir said
that during the Farewell Haj j , the Prophet said;
(Fear Allah regarding women, for they are your assistants. You have the right on them that
they do not allow any person whom you dislike to step on your mat . However, if they do that ,
you are allowed to discipline them lightly. They have a right on you that you provide them with
their provision and clothes, in a reasonable manner. ) Ibn ` Abbas and several others said that
the Ayah refers to a beating that is not violent . Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that it means, a beating
that is not severe.
but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance), ) meaning, when
the wife obeys her husband in all that Allah has allowed, then no means of annoyance from the
husband are allowed against his wife. Therefore, in this case, the husband does not have the
right to beat her or shun her bed. ..."
you are allowed to discipline the wife, without severe beating. Muslim recorded that Jabir said
that during the Farewell Haj j , the Prophet said;
(Fear Allah regarding women, for they are your assistants. You have the right on them that
they do not allow any person whom you dislike to step on your mat . However, if they do that ,
you are allowed to discipline them lightly. They have a right on you that you provide them with
their provision and clothes, in a reasonable manner. ) Ibn ` Abbas and several others said that
the Ayah refers to a beating that is not violent . Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that it means, a beating
that is not severe.
but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance), ) meaning, when
the wife obeys her husband in all that Allah has allowed, then no means of annoyance from the
husband are allowed against his wife. Therefore, in this case, the husband does not have the
right to beat her or shun her bed. ..."
The Reliance of the Traveller (Sharia (Islamic Law) Code book) states:
"... p42.0 A WIFE'S REBELLING
AGAINST HER HUSBAND (def: mlO.12) p42.1
Allah Most High says:
"Men are the guardians of women, since Allah has been more generous to one than the other, and because of what they [men] spend from their wealth. So righteous women will be obedient, and in absence watchful, for Allah is watchful. And if you fear their intractability, warn them, send them from bed, or hit them. But if they obey you, seek no way to blame them" (Koran 4:34)...." - [PDF 699-700]
AGAINST HER HUSBAND (def: mlO.12) p42.1
Allah Most High says:
"Men are the guardians of women, since Allah has been more generous to one than the other, and because of what they [men] spend from their wealth. So righteous women will be obedient, and in absence watchful, for Allah is watchful. And if you fear their intractability, warn them, send them from bed, or hit them. But if they obey you, seek no way to blame them" (Koran 4:34)...." - [PDF 699-700]