If God spoke again...

[Trailblazer]

The Hopi native Americans got it right. Koyaanisqatsi.

I do not know what that is but I think a lot of native Americans got it right.

 

[Howard Is]

So you are confirming to us all, that looking at the Sun and for God without the filter, is first damaging and the end result is no fruitful gain?

Regards Tony

No. I am saying that it worked out just fine, in both cases.
(Don’t try this at home unless you are a hybrid alien like me)

 

[Trailblazer]

Can you look directly at the sun without harming your vision?

Likewise, a filter is needed to see What is from God.

RegardsTony

Yeah, and here are two reasons why in this one little quote...

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

 

[Howard Is]

I do not know what that is but i think a lot of native Americans got it right.

Native Americans and Tibetans are the best people the planet has produced.
In fact, they are the same race.
Dalai Lama and Sun Bear (Hopi chief) met, and acknowledged that they are tribal brothers.
The Hopi call Tibetans ‘elder brothers from the mountains’.

 

[Trailblazer]

And that if God spoke to you, it would be indistinguishable from random voices in your head ?

You don’t give God much credit as a communicator.

You believe God is omnipotent, but incapable of making himself heard ?

I suppose God could make sure we knew it was really HIM speaking if He wanted to.
But obviously God does not want to do that and God only does what He wants to do.

 

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

Christianity has Jesus as the Son of God not a Messenger so you would limit yourself to Islam and perhaps Judaism if you considered Prophet and Messenger to be equivalent.

Jesus is God the Son, the Redeemer, he also was the Messiah, the Savior and a messenger; he brought the Message; the New Covenant, and He was a Prophet, He spoke God’s words. But He is God. But had there not been Jesus, I would still be a Gentile but I would want to follow Judaism. Islam is way off the reservation.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I find that response bewildering.

You are saying that if the whole population had a revelation, you would doubt its validity, but you are prepared to believe ancient scribblings ?

And that if God spoke to you, it would be indistinguishable from random voices in your head ?

You don’t give God much credit as a communicator.

You believe God is omnipotent, but incapable of making himself heard ?

What is being offered to consider is that we are a creature on earth and God is like the Sun.

The Sun does not directly come to us, it is the rays that give life and it is from the rays life can be.

If the sun came to earth, then we are no more.

Thus the Manifestation is the rays we gain life from.

Regards Tony

 

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

There is evidence but no proof.

No, I do not believe that bodies rise from graves, and what would be the point? Even if that had happened it would not be the best proof that Jesus was a Messenger of God. The best proof are His deeds and words.
That would not be convincing to me. What is convincing to me is their life, their mission, and their words, and the power they had to transform humankind.

There is no such verification process. Everyone has to look for themselves and come to their own conclusions.

By that same logic, why would it be acceptable for them to follow a religion established by another Messenger whose message cannot be verified to have come from God?

God doesn’t need to prove anything; look around! And how arrogant of us to ask or expect Him to.

 

[Howard Is]

Yeah, and here are two reasons why in this one little quote...

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

Yep, that’s what happened.
No thingness.

A little 5htp and Valium and I was fine.

 

[Howard Is]

What is being offered to consider is that we are a creature on earth and God is like the Sun.

The Sun does not directly come to us, it is the rays that give life and it is from the rays life can be.

If the sun came to earth, then we are no more.

Thus the Manifestation is the rays we gain life from.

Regards Tony

I live in reality, not in metaphors.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I live in reality, not in metaphors.

Science is finding out great things about what reality really is.

Truth, is far more colourful than the fiction we think is life and reality, to which science will discover more and more.

We ourselves are a world, a method of transport and even food for many living creatures. That is their reality, all the while we do not see what is beyond our physical senses.

Regards Tony

 

[Howard Is]

Why do we have tests in school, are we not educated into this way of progression?

Schools were an invention of the industrial revolution. Their only purpose was to prepare workers for factories.

 

[Howard Is]

That is their reality, all the while we do not see what is beyond our physical senses.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Trailblazer]

A little 5htp and Valium and I was fine.

I'm glad.

 

[Howard Is]

I'm glad.

“Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.” (Bhagavad Gita 18:66)

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

There is no reason why the verses have to spell everything out.... God has always tested His servants to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Out of idle curiosity, why does an omnipotent God need servants? Anything he wants, one must assume, would be instantly satisfied at his merest whim.

 

[Trailblazer]

Out of idle curiosity, why does an omnipotent God need servants? Anything he wants, one must assume, would be instantly satisfied at his merest whim.

God does not want servants to serve Him; God wants us to be servants because it is beneficial for us to serve.

 

[Windwalker]

If God spoke again through a new Messenger who had a message for all of humanity, would it “matter” if the adherents to the older religions recognized that Messenger and followed His religion, or would it be acceptable for religious people to continue following the older religions they adhere to?

If you think it matters why do you think so?

If you think it does not matter why don’t you think so?

I think it matters to those who think it matters.

 

[LuisDantas]

You're the one inventing the God in this scenario; it's really up to you to decide what matters to him.

Exactly. Thanks.

 

[LuisDantas]

Okay, I'll bite.
If God sent a new Messenger I think it would matter if people recognized and followed that Messenger and if that Messenger founded a new religion I think everyone should join that religion. But that is just my personal opinion and it is based upon my logic.

How do you explain the fact that such a scenario is not self-evident?