Who is Jesus?

[rrobs]

I would assume that usually, yes. Most people hear about Jesus before opening the NT. As to whether or not they think he's god (without having ever read the NT), that's up to their personal beliefs, often based on what exactly they were told about Jesus.

Let me ask you this, if you don't mind; If you decided to accept Jesus as your redeemer, would you do so thinking he is God or a man sent from God?

 

[Harel13]

Let me ask you this, if you don't mind; If you decided to accept Jesus as your redeemer, would you do so thinking he is God or a man sent from God?

Probably as a man sent from god. I can't imagine twisting my mind around the possibility of 3=1 or that an infinite being would squish itself into a human body. So...I'd basically be a Messianic Jew.

 

[rrobs]

Probably as a man sent from god. I can't imagine twisting my mind around the possibility of 3=1 or that an infinite being would squish itself into a human body. So...I'd basically be a Messianic Jew.

You mean the Jews actually believe the Shema? Gee, is that something you read in the Torah?

I wonder why Christians don't see the simplicity of one God.

 

[Harel13]

Gee, is that something you read in the Torah?

Oddly enough, it is.

I wonder why Christians don't see the simplicity of one God.

Yes, I'm well aware of how Christians currently explain the meaning of the Shema according to their theology.
However, as you asked for what would happen if hypothetically I would come to believe in Jesus to some extent, then that's my answer.

 

[rrobs]

Oddly enough, it is.

Yes, I'm well aware of how Christians currently explain the meaning of the Shema according to their theology.
However, as you asked for what would happen if hypothetically I would come to believe in Jesus to some extent, then that's my answer.

Thanks.

As you probably know, the first Christians were Jewish. It was only after Gentile converts brought their Greek philosophical ideas with them, that the trinity idea began to corrupt the Shema. I think in that regard the Jews are more Christian than Christians. If that makes any sense????

 

[Harel13]

I think in that regard the Jews are more Christian than Christians. If that makes any sense????

No, not really. Huh?

 

[RabbiO]

Thanks.

As you probably know, the first Christians were Jewish. It was only after Gentile converts brought their Greek philosophical ideas with them, that the trinity idea began to corrupt the Shema. I think in that regard the Jews are more Christian than Christians. If that makes any sense????

The Shema has not been corrupted. How some people choose to interpret it may be at odds with the text, but it doesn’t change the text itself.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I am trying to see what people who have not read the Bible, or who have read it only a little, understand about the nature of Jesus. I don't care if you believe it or not, just trying to get an idea of what people think it says.

My impression of Jesus is that he was an erratic itinerant preacher, making promises about a social upheaval that was soon to come. His followers apparently thought he could wield miracles.

I don't see much similarity between "Bible Jesus" and the sanitized Jesus of, well, any Christian church I've looked into.

Do people already "know" that Jesus is God before ever cracking the book. In other words, if and when they do open the book for the first time, do they have preconceived ideas about Jesus?

Thanks!

I don't think that reading the Bible necessarily leads to the conclusion that Jesus is God. That idea comes from outside the Bible, IMO.

 

[rrobs]

No, not really. Huh?

Jews believe in one God, period, not one God with three "essences" as do the Christians.

 

[rrobs]

The Shema has not been corrupted. How some people choose to interpret it may be at odds with the text, but it doesn’t change the text itself.

Yes. One is one. It's a simple 3 letter word. Although both are numbers, one is not at all the same as three.

 

[rrobs]

I don't think that reading the Bible necessarily leads to the conclusion that Jesus is God. That idea comes from outside the Bible, IMO.

You must know about the claim that Jesus is God since you know it came from outside the Bible. You know the idea exists.

So if you ever did become a Christian, you would already have the idea the Jesus is God before you actually read the Bible? I know you can't answer that question definitively (who knows the future?), just wondering what you might think.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I am trying to see what people who have not read the Bible, or who have read it only a little, understand about the nature of Jesus. I don't care if you believe it or not, just trying to get an idea of what people think it says.

Do people already "know" that Jesus is God before ever cracking the book. In other words, if and when they do open the book for the first time, do they have preconceived ideas about Jesus?

Thanks!

Yes we Baha’is believe in Jesus and the Bible as the Word of God. We also read from the Bible and other Holy Scriptures in our weekly services in our Houses of Worship all over the world. To become a Baha’i a requirement is belief in all Jesus as well.

Just for your information. I believe the greatest ‘Christian missionary’ ever was Muhammad because to date He has taught, through the Quran, over 1.7 billion people to believe in Jesus and the Bible.

 

[blü 2]

I am trying to see what people who have not read the Bible, or who have read it only a little, understand about the nature of Jesus. I don't care if you believe it or not, just trying to get an idea of what people think it says.

Do people already "know" that Jesus is God before ever cracking the book. In other words, if and when they do open the book for the first time, do they have preconceived ideas about Jesus?

Thanks!

We can say these things about Jesus.

He may or may not have been a historical figure.

If he was ─
─ not a single contemporary left any record of him,
─ he may have been active in Jerusalem religious politics about 30 CE,
─ he may have been a follower of JtB with JtB's message, Get ready, the Kingdom is at hand,
─ he may have been executed by the Romans; and if he was, that may have been on matters of civil disorder,
─ the earliest we meet Jesus in history is in the letters of Paul. (The letters weren't known before Marcion's time, and their authenticity has been questioned because they conveniently support Marcion's gnostic views; but I doubt anyone could forge a dingbat character like Paul) Like the other gospel writers, Paul never met Jesus, and his earthly biography of Jesus would fit in two lines.
─ the only purported biography of him that we have is that of the author of Mark. It moves Jesus through a series of scenes based on what the author takes to be messianic prophecies in the Tanakh; there's no suggestion its author had any actual knowledge of Jesus, with the possible exception of some sayings and the scenes in which Jesus fights with his family.
─ the authors of Matthew, Luke and John rewrote Mark to express their own Christologies and theologies; they keep the scenes in which Jesus fights with his family (only once, on the cross in John, does he mention his mother without vituperation),
─ the result has two levels : a popular level of redemption and rescue (salvation) and postmortal bliss, and on the other hand, five incompatible Christologies (Mark's Jesus has fully human parents, Matthew's and Luke's follow Greek tradition of divine insemination, and Paul's and John's are gnostic beings who preexisted with God in heaven and created the material world, serving as mediator between it and God).

(There's no coherent explanation why Jesus had to die. What could possibly require God to sacrifice his own son to himself?)

Finally, none of the five Jesuses in the NT is God; each of them expressly says he's not. Jesus doesn't become God until the Trinity doctrine is invented in the 4th century CE; and as even the churches admit, the Trinity doctrine is incoherent too.)

 

[Harel13]

Jews believe in one God, period, not one God with three "essences" as do the Christians.

So how are Jews more Christian than Christians?

 

[robocop (actually)]

I am trying to see what people who have not read the Bible, or who have read it only a little, understand about the nature of Jesus. I don't care if you believe it or not, just trying to get an idea of what people think it says.

Do people already "know" that Jesus is God before ever cracking the book. In other words, if and when they do open the book for the first time, do they have preconceived ideas about Jesus?

Thanks!

I just wanted to say that as far as knowing what is in the Bible, you usually don't know what's in a book without reading it or hearing a summary first.

 

[Milton Platt]

I am trying to see what people who have not read the Bible, or who have read it only a little, understand about the nature of Jesus. I don't care if you believe it or not, just trying to get an idea of what people think it says.

Do people already "know" that Jesus is God before ever cracking the book. In other words, if and when they do open the book for the first time, do they have preconceived ideas about Jesus?

Thanks!

I only know what Christians have claimed about him, and that varies greatly in most aspects.

 

[osgart]

Jesus wants to obliterate and destroy those who know the story and do not believe he is real, nor accept what he claims to be. He also wants to destroy those who see him as real, and don't believe in him.

 

[julianalexander745]

I am trying to see what people who have not read the Bible, or who have read it only a little, understand about the nature of Jesus. I don't care if you believe it or not, just trying to get an idea of what people think it says.

Do people already "know" that Jesus is God before ever cracking the book. In other words, if and when they do open the book for the first time, do they have preconceived ideas about Jesus?

Thanks!

Jesus comes by every Thursday to do my yard work.

 

[Riders]

When I was in church i read it quite abit and it confused me because there are too many scriptures the church can not account for.

 

[Riders]

Yeah, you have a point. 'A god' is a better way of looking at it.

I have never understood the trinity.