Question for all the atheists on here

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I know. In fact, I had to convert the number of cubic feet into cubic meters and then use the number of moles in a cubic meter to get my values above.

Why can't the US be like everyone else and start using the metric system????

Officially, Canada is metric.

In practice, we have this mess:

 

[ChristineM]

This is of corse, "Atheism has nothing to do with the start of the universe...", what atheists tells other people to sort of lead the origins of the universe away from the atheistic viewpoint.
They hope one will perceive the atheist seperate from "atheist scientific models" on the origins of the universe.
Well, lets be straight forward.
The whole excercise of discussing the origins of the Universe, is an atheist domain where everyting will be done to prove it spontaniously came into existance.
However, the Atheist will not like the Christian claim of, Yes, God made it out of nothing, and we knew it 2 000 years ago!

Nope, they have to give the most silliest explanations on how it came into existance without creation.
Just like Stephen Hawkins claimed that everything spontaniously errupted due to Gravity!
Therefore, even hawkins had to create a creator to create everything. gravity in the place of God.
I loved it when John Lennox said of Stephen's theory:
"Nonsense remains nonsense, even if spoken by a genius!"

This story about a spontanious erruption from monopoles and false bubbles in other bubbles originates from Zeeya Merali who composed her writings by combining different scientists' work.
Create your own universe - Popular Mechanics
The full document can be found here.
Creating a Universe in the Lab? The Idea Is No Joke - The Crux

Now, she took studies from Andraie Linde and Sakai and other theoretical phycisists, and showed us what the scientists nou came up with.

• We should form a vacum in space.
• inside this vacum false vacums will appear.
• Then we must build very large colliders and get a monopole.
• in this false vacum, the monopole will now increase in size.
• We dont know how long it will take, but if we sit and wait a long time, it might happen.
• Oh, but it might fall into itself, therefore we need a cosmic string.
• Well, if we can get one, this bubble will inflate indefinately.
• But the funny thing is, it will remain the same size from the outside, but if you are on the inside, it will grow as big as our universe.
• This Universe will be connected with ours, through a wormholw, and eventually will sever itself.
• AAAWWWW, but damn, this whole event will happen so fast that we will not even see it happen.

it ends off with the following words:
"Just imagine if we can do this, then we will be god!"

Now, if any person can believe in the above fools fibb, then I can understand why intelligent people believes in other fairytales such as evolution.

Please dont try to tell me Atheism has nothing to do with explanations of the origins of the Universe!
they have attempted to find an alternative to God for 200 years without success.

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. You can of course put any imposition on atheism that suits your ego, it will never make any difference to that definition... Or history or the word.

You are making the same mistake creationists make. Ie confusing atheism with science. True that the highest proportion if scientists are atheist. But there are still a fair number of scientists who are religious. One of my heroes in fact, Norman Borlaug, who is accredited with saving the lives of over a billion people was in fact a devout Lutheran

Oh and quoting from one "journalist", unqualified in the relevant sciences does not make science

Alternative to god? Sheesh. All you need to do is prove god magic then you can talk about god magic. Until then all you have is a guess but are too stubborn to admit it

 

[SA Huguenot]

Don't confuse atheism with science. Scientists have been able for about the last century to model the universe as a whole. It wasn't until the mid 60's that we discovered the cosmic background radiation. it wasn't until this century that we have been able to measure that radiation in enough detail to answer a number of long-standing questions.

In comparison, what has your 'God Hypothesis' managed to actually explain, predict, or model? Nothing.

Don't confuse Science with atheism.

You say: "In comparison, what has your 'God Hypothesis' managed to actually explain, predict, or model? Nothing."
You are so wrong.

• My God explained 3 400 years ago already that He made everything from nothing. Somethin all scientists agree with today.
• He explained that time started, and before Time, there was no time. Science agrees to this also.
• He said everything was spread out in space, and developed into proto planets, and explains the earth was a formless collection of water, solids and gasses.
• Science also discovered this to be true.
• He said the gasses percipitated out of this wet muddy sphere, and formed an atmosphere. A scientific principal.
• Then the solids and liquids seperated, also a scientific principal.
• He said that the Sun shone very dim in the beginning, and lateron errupted into a full blown Nuclear fusion and cleared the space in the solar system, a scientific fact.
• He said that once the sun shon as bright as it did then, the earth saw the planets and stars shining on the atmosphere for the first time. makes scientific sense.
• He also say that the Sun is the source of light, but the moon reflects light. Now, who would have known.
• He also said the Earth is round and hangs on nothing. This in ancient times?
• He also allowed Newton to discover through His scripture that white light is a mixture of all colors, that Genesis described Gravity, remember, newton...apple...falling on his head... apple Genesis...fruit?
• He also said the Earth was covered in wated during its creation, and science discovered zircon crystals attesting to that too, destroying the atheist le Matre's hadean theory.
• He also said everything is made up of smaller things we can not see, well, untill we discovered the microscope.
• He also said we can not measure the cosmos, can we?

Pal, I can continue for at least another day telling you how this God of mine gave the western civilisation science which the greatest of scientists used to get where we are now.
No other race, and civilisation achieved close to what the West discovered in science, and the only reason is that they had Biblical descriptions which opened their minds to think incredibly deep and to formulate the science God described to them.
Greetings, please tell me if you have any usefull scientific discoveries made by atheists without the use of the science the Christians gave to the world.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nope, Atheism is a religion where one believes God does not exist.

 

[ChristineM]

Nope, Atheism is a religion where one believes God does not exist.

You are welcome to your delusioned opinion, i, as an atheist, am sticking to the definition.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Oh, and I love this one the best.
My God said that people lived to be almost 1 000 years.
Then my God said, people will live only 120 years.
Then He said we will live only 70 years.
He also said that the atmosphere was very moist, and there was no rainbow, and the earth had a lot of water below its crust.
Well, there was a huge flood, and the moisture pulled from the atmosphere for 40 days, and the water squashed out beneath the crust and covered the earth.
This resulted into a clean atmosphere, an upheaved and distorted earth surface with mountains, and Nitrogen changeing into C14.
This c 14 was reaching equlibrium in about 1 000 years, poinsoning all life to accelerate in age.
This God of mine showed me that radiatin kills, ages life, and c 14 proves life on Earth is less than 10 000 yars old.

Lovely isnt it?
A God theory written down 3400 years ago, which science are only now discovering.

 

[Audie]

1.I thought air had no matter to it.
2.I don't i thought atheist thought this about the milky way galaxy.
3.I don't know.You're right.I just thought air would be a good example of nothingness.Because I thought air didn't have matter in between it.

An impressive demonstration in a freshman physics class
I attended involved an iron bar about three feet long.
It was one inch square, and weighed 14.3 lbs.

14.3 lbs per square inch is atmospheric pressure at sea level.

As the teacher said, a meteor hitting the atmosphere at
60,000 miles per hour has to pass through a weight
of air equal to that iron bar, travelling through it lengthwise,
if it is to reach the ground.

Its too bad you never had any science education, there
is so much cool stuff to learn.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Oh, and I love this one the best.
My God said that people lived to be almost 1 000 years.
Then my God said, people will live only 120 years.
Then He said we will live only 70 years.
He also said that the atmosphere was very moist, and there was no rainbow, and the earth had a lot of water below its crust.
Well, there was a huge flood, and the moisture pulled from the atmosphere for 40 days, and the water squashed out beneath the crust and covered the earth.
This resulted into a clean atmosphere, an upheaved and distorted earth surface with mountains, and Nitrogen changeing into C14.
This c 14 was reaching equlibrium in about 1 000 years, poinsoning all life to accelerate in age.
This God of mine showed me that radiatin kills, ages life, and c 14 proves life on Earth is less than 10 000 yars old.

Lovely isnt it?
A God theory written down 3400 years ago, which science are only now discovering.

I can do far better. My God said that on this day I would have a packet of crisps and an apple for lunch, and that in the future I am destined to be King of Earth and live in a space mansion on the back of a trans-dimensional whale.

See, friend, we can ALL just make stuff up.

 

[Polymath257]

Don't confuse Science with atheism.

You say: "In comparison, what has your 'God Hypothesis' managed to actually explain, predict, or model? Nothing."
You are so wrong.

• My God explained 3 400 years ago already that He made everything from nothing. Somethin all scientists agree with today.

Nope, that is not the case. Many scientists believe there is a multiverse from which our universe arose.

• He explained that time started, and before Time, there was no time. Science agrees to this also.

• Once again, not all scientists think this to be the case.

  [*]He said everything was spread out in space, and developed into proto planets, and explains the earth was a formless collection of water, solids and gasses.

  Actually, of course, the Bible says nothing of the sort.

  [*]Science also discovered this to be true.
  [*]He said the gasses percipitated out of this wet muddy sphere, and formed an atmosphere. A scientific principal.

An incorrect statement of what happened.

• Then the solids and liquids seperated, also a scientific principal.

Nope.

• He said that the Sun shone very dim in the beginning, and lateron errupted into a full blown Nuclear fusion and cleared the space in the solar system, a scientific fact.

• And, of course, it neither says that (no description of nuclear reactions) and that isn't how it actually happened.

  [*]He said that once the sun shon as bright as it did then, the earth saw the planets and stars shining on the atmosphere for the first time. makes scientific sense.

Actually, no it doesn't. The sun starting to shine would have had no effect on the visibility of the stars.

• He also say that the Sun is the source of light, but the moon reflects light. Now, who would have known.
• He also said the Earth is round and hangs on nothing. This in ancient times?

It also says the Earth has corners. The only time it mentions being round is in later texts where it was well-known to be round.

• He also allowed Newton to discover through His scripture that white light is a mixture of all colors, that Genesis described Gravity, remember, newton...apple...falling on his head... apple Genesis...fruit?

• Huh? Where in the Bible does it describe light as being a mixture of colors? Where does it describe *universal* gravitation (as opposed to gravity only on Earth)? Newton's gravitation and study of light had nothing to do with his mysticism.

  [*]He also said the Earth was covered in wated during its creation, and science discovered zircon crystals attesting to that too, destroying the atheist le Matre's hadean theory.
  [*]He also said everything is made up of smaller things we can not see, well, untill we discovered the microscope.
  [*]He also said we can not measure the cosmos, can we?

Sorry, but your strained interpretation of both scripture and of science goes well beyond what is written in the Bible or what is claimed by science.

Pal, I can continue for at least another day telling you how this God of mine gave the western civilisation science which the greatest of scientists used to get where we are now.
No other race, and civilisation achieved close to what the West discovered in science, and the only reason is that they had Biblical descriptions which opened their minds to think incredibly deep and to formulate the science God described to them.
Greetings, please tell me if you have any usefull scientific discoveries made by atheists without the use of the science the Christians gave to the world.

The main value that Christianity gave to science is the notion that the universe works under natural laws that can potentially be understood by us humans. That *was* a huge breakthrough, but it wasn't because of Biblical descriptions that *anything* in science was actually discovered.

Science was the realization that we should not take things on faith. it is the realization that we should require all of our notions to be testable and that observation is the ultimate judge of truth. That was not the result of religious thinking, but of skepticism and the ability to go beyond faith and actually test ideas.

 

[Polymath257]

Nope, Atheism is a religion where one believes God does not exist.

Nope. Atheism the the lack of belief in a deity. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Someone who lacks belief because they have not been convinced is an atheist.

 

[Polymath257]

Oh, and I love this one the best.
My God said that people lived to be almost 1 000 years.
Then my God said, people will live only 120 years.
Then He said we will live only 70 years.
He also said that the atmosphere was very moist, and there was no rainbow, and the earth had a lot of water below its crust.
Well, there was a huge flood, and the moisture pulled from the atmosphere for 40 days, and the water squashed out beneath the crust and covered the earth.
This resulted into a clean atmosphere, an upheaved and distorted earth surface with mountains, and Nitrogen changeing into C14.
This c 14 was reaching equlibrium in about 1 000 years, poinsoning all life to accelerate in age.
This God of mine showed me that radiatin kills, ages life, and c 14 proves life on Earth is less than 10 000 yars old.

Lovely isnt it?
A God theory written down 3400 years ago, which science are only now discovering.

Wow. So much wrong and so little understanding.

 

[Audie]

Nope, that is not the case. Many scientists believe there is a multiverse from which our universe arose.

• Once again, not all scientists think this to be the case. Actually, of course, the Bible says nothing of the sort.

An incorrect statement of what happened.
Nope.

• And, of course, it neither says that (no description of nuclear reactions) and that isn't how it actually happened.

Actually, no it doesn't. The sun starting to shine would have had no effect on the visibility of the stars.
It also says the Earth has corners. The only time it mentions being round is in later texts where it was well-known to be round.

• Huh? Where in the Bible does it describe light as being a mixture of colors? Where does it describe *universal* gravitation (as opposed to gravity only on Earth)? Newton's gravitation and study of light had nothing to do with his mysticism.

Sorry, but your strained interpretation of both scripture and of science goes well beyond what is written in the Bible or what is claimed by science.


The main value that Christianity gave to science is the notion that the universe works under natural laws that can potentially be understood by us humans. That *was* a huge breakthrough, but it wasn't because of Biblical descriptions that *anything* in science was actually discovered.

Science was the realization that we should not take things on faith. it is the realization that we should require all of our notions to be testable and that observation is the ultimate judge of truth. That was not the result of religious thinking, but of skepticism and the ability to go beyond faith and actually test ideas.

Now, if you dont let the poor creos make things up,
what do you leave them?

 

[ChristineM]

Oh, and I love this one the best.
My God said that people lived to be almost 1 000 years.
Then my God said, people will live only 120 years.
Then He said we will live only 70 years.
He also said that the atmosphere was very moist, and there was no rainbow, and the earth had a lot of water below its crust.
Well, there was a huge flood, and the moisture pulled from the atmosphere for 40 days, and the water squashed out beneath the crust and covered the earth.
This resulted into a clean atmosphere, an upheaved and distorted earth surface with mountains, and Nitrogen changeing into C14.
This c 14 was reaching equlibrium in about 1 000 years, poinsoning all life to accelerate in age.
This God of mine showed me that radiatin kills, ages life, and c 14 proves life on Earth is less than 10 000 yars old.

Lovely isnt it?
A God theory written down 3400 years ago, which science are only now discovering.

Interesting illogical jumps, first show evidence of god, then that god god speaks. Then that people lived to be 1000. Then that there has ever been enough water on earth to produce a flood as described in the bible, then any evidence whatsoever of said world flood.

Then that nitrogen magically changed to c14 while leaving the atmosphere mostly nitrogen.

See my avatar. Human skull (cro magnon) 22,000 years old what does that say about your 10,000 year limit

C14 comprises roughly 1 part per trillion of all carbon. Short term (human lifespan) effects are negligible.

 

[ratiocinator]

Haha, Christine, Atheism has a lot to do with start of the universe. If it does not believe in existence of One or Many God or Goddesses. then it has to explain a few things.
1. From where the matter and energy in the universe has arisen?
2. What was the process of creation (if any) of the universe or universes?
3. How did life came about in the world or the universe or universes?

Why does atheism have to explain anything? What's wrong with not knowing some things? There is no obligation on anybody to have a view on how the universe started.

Atheists cannot get off simply by saying 'There is no God'.

Many don't - they say that they have seen insufficient reason to take any god-ideas seriously.

 

[Audie]

Why does atheism have to explain anything? What's wrong with not knowing some things? There is no obligation on anybody to have a view on how the universe started.



Many don't - they say that they have seen insufficient reason to take any god-ideas seriously.

It does seem that our theo-friends are so
stuck with their way of thinking that they
are incapable of grasping a pov that does
include god.

 

[sealchan]

If you lift your hand up and put it into the air.You will notice there is nothing inside of the air your hand is touching.So how can everything come from nothing when talking about the milky way galaxy?And by the way I am not trying to offend you with my question.Just curious is all.

Which is more miraculous: that the Universe was born out of nothing or that God was born out of nothing? Which is the greater accomplishment and therefore the more difficult to believe?

 

[LuisDantas]

Nope, Atheism is a religion where one believes God does not exist.

Uh, no.

Really, you owe it to yourself to know better.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nope, Atheism is a religion where one believes God does not exist.

Do you also think that all of theism is one religion?

 

[LuisDantas]

If you lift your hand up and put it into the air.You will notice there is nothing inside of the air your hand is touching.So how can everything come from nothing when talking about the milky way galaxy?And by the way I am not trying to offend you with my question.Just curious is all.

You know, Frank, it may help if you consider that whether someone turns atheist or theist is to a very large extent a matter of aesthetical inclination.

Many theists ask questions similar to ours. And they do not really make sense to many of us.

 

[Valjean]

Nope, Atheism is a religion where one believes God does not exist.

That's one variety of atheism, but it's not the single feature that applies to all subdivisions, so is not definitive.