Have any intermediary life forms, particular in the way of apes, developed writing?

[ChristineM]

Please feel free to say clearly if one thinks that Bees know writing and these store new knowledge in the form of books for their posterity.

Regards

What? I said what bees do, do you or do you not think what they do is a form or written communication?

Writing is not storing knowledge, that is a whole other set of goal posts?

 

[ChristineM]

We are looking for some pieces of wisdom from one. Please share them.
Regards

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That was wisdom

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, the bees* have also been endowed by G-d with certain amazing peculiarities. No doubt about it.

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*[16:69]وَ اَوۡحٰی رَبُّکَ اِلَی النَّحۡلِ اَنِ اتَّخِذِیۡ مِنَ الۡجِبَالِ بُیُوۡتًا وَّ مِنَ الشَّجَرِ وَ مِمَّا یَعۡرِشُوۡنَ ﴿ۙ۶۹﴾
And thy Lord has inspired the bee, saying, ‘Make thou houses in the hills and in the trees and in the trellises which they build.
[16:70]ثُمَّ کُلِیۡ مِنۡ کُلِّ الثَّمَرٰتِ فَاسۡلُکِیۡ سُبُلَ رَبِّکِ ذُلُلًا ؕ یَخۡرُجُ مِنۡۢ بُطُوۡنِہَا شَرَابٌ مُّخۡتَلِفٌ اَلۡوَانُہٗ فِیۡہِ شِفَآءٌ لِّلنَّاسِ ؕ اِنَّ فِیۡ ذٰلِکَ لَاٰیَۃً لِّقَوۡمٍ یَّتَفَکَّرُوۡنَ ﴿۷۰﴾
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 16: An-Nahl

Until you said "no doubt about it" you comment could have been seen as blind faith. I believe that adding that rider means you should provide some sort of evidence

 

[Phaedrus]

Certain primates can learn sign language and understand it to communicate with us. I don't know if there's been any studies done in teaching them how to write, however.

 

[ChristineM]

Certain primates can learn sign language and understand it to communicate with us. I don't know if there's been any studies done in teaching them how to write, however.

Lions and other cats,. Wolves and other dogs and several other animals leave there signature by urinating to mark their territory. This us a pretty big signpost saying "Mine.. keep out"

 

[ChristineM]

Certain primates can learn sign language and understand it to communicate with us. I don't know if there's been any studies done in teaching them how to write, however.

When i was at uni the psychology lot had a "hip" saying..?

"Washoe can, CanCan can't... What is it?"

The answer of course was communicate in American sign language

 

[Ouroboros]

• But not invented by a particular individual who could be identified. Right, please?

Someone must've been the first person to use it, so how did they suddenly know about it and use it? God told them? They had a vision by God?

• Similarly, no individual claims that he had caused a word to die.Right, please?

Regards

Words die by people stop using them.

I think you don't believe humans have abilities to make any decision at all and that humans have no creativity or inventiveness.

 

[paarsurrey]

Someone must've been the first person to use it, so how did they suddenly know about it and use it? God told them? They had a vision by God?

Words die by people stop using them.

I think you don't believe humans have abilities to make any decision at all and that humans have no creativity or inventiveness.

Your thinking is incorrect.

Humans do have creativity and inventiveness but its has been endowed by G-d-the Creator* and is a reflection of His attribute of Creativeness. We have a hue of His attributes with limits and or within limits.
Humans cannot create "Something out of Nothing" and without using things endowed by Him.
And this is one of His attributes among so many.

You (and or anybody else) cannot name a "word" that has been created by you and that went into the Lexicon.
Similarly you (and or anybody else) cannot name a "word" that has been caused to die by you and that went out of the Lexicon.

It is a process set as intuition and endowed by G-d to the humans for their convenience. They should praise and thank G-d for this endowment being true humans, if they like it and happily do it. There is no harm in it. Right, please?

Regards
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*[2:118]بَدِیۡعُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ اِذَا قَضٰۤی اَمۡرًا فَاِنَّمَا یَقُوۡلُ لَہٗ کُنۡ فَیَکُوۡنُ ﴿۱۱۸﴾
He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a thing, He does only say to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah

 

[Ouroboros]

Your thinking is incorrect.

Humans do have creativity and inventiveness but its has been endowed by G-d-the Creator* and is a reflection of His attribute of Creativeness. We have a hue of His attributes with limits and or within limits.
Humans cannot create "Something out of Nothing" and without using things endowed by Him.
And this is one of His attributes among so many.

That's a supposition only. We can invent is the conclusion, if it's because God makes us invent or we can do it on our own, it's just speculation.

You (and or anybody else) cannot name a "word" that has been created by you and that went into the Lexicon.

The Lexicon isn't decided and handled by God. Lexicons didn't exist until a few hundred years ago, while the written word has existed longer, and the spoken even longer than that. Lexicons don't decide God's word.

Similarly you (and or anybody else) cannot name a "word" that has been caused to die by you and that went out of the Lexicon.

Again, Lexicons have nothing to do with if language comes from humans or God.

It is a process set as intuition and endowed by G-d to the humans for their convenience. They should praise and thank G-d for this endowment being true humans, if they like it and happily do it. There is no harm in it. Right, please?

It's based on belief only. The first time a word is used, it's used by a human. If God inspired the word in that human or not, that's just based on belief.

I think that concludes anything I have to say on it.

 

[paarsurrey]

I certainly hope you’re not expecting me to say “God did it”. Because I don’t believe it. There’s about as much chance of that happening as me nude wrestling Matt Damon on the moon.

"I certainly hope you’re not expecting me to say “God did it”."
No, definitely not, unless one is convinced to do it happily one one's own.

There is no compulsion for one to believe in G-d, to praise Him and or to thank Him , please.
However, what is wrong with saying “God did it” when He did it? And there is/are no other claimant/s with reasons and arguments .
Right, please?

Regards
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[76:4]اِنَّا ہَدَیۡنٰہُ السَّبِیۡلَ اِمَّا شَاکِرًا وَّ اِمَّا کَفُوۡرًا ﴿۴﴾
We have shown him the Way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 76: Ad-Dahr

 

[paarsurrey]

What? I said what bees do, do you or do you not think what they do is a form or written communication?

Writing is not storing knowledge, that is a whole other set of goal posts?

It is a communication.

Regards

 

[Jainarayan]

However, what is wrong with saying “God did it” when He did it? And there is/are no other claimant/s with reasons and arguments .

Because not all of us believe he did it. There are other mechanisms than just a wave of God's hand to make things appear. And to be frank about it, it doesn't really matter how, when, or by whom these things happened. I personally don't care. What matters is that we are here, language is here, writing is here.

 

[ChristineM]

It is a communication.

Regards

communication noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced American Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

 

[paarsurrey]

Because not all of us believe he did it. There are other mechanisms than just a wave of God's hand to make things appear. And to be frank about it, it doesn't really matter how, when, or by whom these things happened. I personally don't care. What matters is that we are here, language is here, writing is here.

It is your life, your choice one my have it if it makes one satisfied with it and one is happy.

Regards

 

[David1967]

Let us see how many millions years they take to join humans in this domain.Why did they leave behind in this field, please?

Regards

I have no idea.

 

[paarsurrey]

I have no idea.

So, it was just a guesswork.

Regards

 

[David1967]

So, it was just a guesswork.

Regards

Well, it was more a humorous reference to Planet of the Apes.

 

[paarsurrey]

Well, it was more a humorous reference to Planet of the Apes.

OK, fine!
Regards

 

[Willamena]

But Atheism doesn't have to say anything about it. Right, please?

Regards

There is no requirement for them to not say anything about themselves.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

My that reasonable attitude is for every Revealed Religion (Judaism, Buddhism,Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Christianity) which has mentioned these things. It is a common treasure of the humanity.
If one doesn't care, I don't mind.

Regards

Just assuming things, is not reasonable though.

Going by evidence, is reasonable.
And the evidence suggests that humans came up with writing, all on their own. Multiple times, independently from one another.