Have any intermediary life forms, particular in the way of apes, developed writing?

[paarsurrey]

Writing is not language. There have been, and are hundreds, if not thousands of human languages that have no form of writing that work perfectly fine. Writing is only a graphical/pictorial representation of writing, and an extremely poor one at that. In fact, Prof. Joseph F. Foster, Ph.D. of the University of Cincinnati called it "a parasite on language". You'd be better off looking into how spoken language developed, and thank that FOXP2 gene for it.

I always thank those real scientists who try to explore/discover and try to explain the processes involved of things endowed by G-d to life. One who doesn't thank the people* for their achievements cannot thank G-d in real sense. And Science has done a lot and is still "work in progress".
Well, who created that gene "FOXP2"? Did anybody explore/discover and explain it, please?

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*(12)Chapter: Regarding gratitude for acts of kindness
Narrated Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: He who does not thank the people is not thankful to Allah.
حَدَّثَنَا مُسْلِمُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَنَا الرَّبِيعُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ لاَ يَشْكُرُ اللَّهَ مَنْ لاَ يَشْكُرُ النَّاسَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏
Hadith - Book of General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab) - Sunan Abi Dawud - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

 

[paarsurrey]

Don't know why God would have to be able to talk, write, or communicate without someone like him/her/it to interact with. Language, as we know it from linguistics, has developed. We can trace it through history, artifacts, etc, so it's not a mystery that it's something that has evolved from the need of human interaction, and not given by any external source.

"linguistics"
I thank the linguistics for their continuous effort to understand the processes as to how G-d made it possible for the human beings:

• the power of immaculate speech in different parts of the world in different forms and languages and it is still a "work in progress", may language die out and replaced by others. And languages are being polished day in and day out.
• the power of pen or writing.

But no linguist has yet claimed to invent any of the languages like English, French or German etc. Has any, please?

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[paarsurrey]

In other words did aliens help humans develop writing? The most logical answer would be we don’t know.

What is the view of science on "aliens help humans develop writing"?
or of our Atheism people's?
Not specifically addressed to you but to the all learned members who are participating in the thread and giving their valuable comments.

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[Ouroboros]

"linguistics"
I thank the linguistics for their continuous effort to understand the processes as to how G-d made it possible for the human beings:

• the power of immaculate speech in different parts of the world in different forms and languages and it is still a "work in progress", may language die out and replaced by others. And languages are being polished day in and day out.
• the power of pen or writing.

But no linguist has yet claimed to invent any of the languages like English, French or German etc. Has any, please?

Regards

Linguists can't invent English, French, or German since they already exists. But linguists have invented other languages. It's very popular to do it for TV show now.

Anyhow, I did study some linguistics, cultural anthropology, and philosophy in the past, and it's not a mystery how English, French, and German evolved. You know, there's only some 500 words left from the original Old English. All other hundreds of thousands of words are later "inventions".

 

[Watchmen]

Would a bear or elk scratching as far up a tree as it could to mark its territory constitute writing?

 

[Jainarayan]

Well, who created that gene "FOXP2"? Did anybody explore/discover and explain it, please?

I certainly hope you’re not expecting me to say “God did it”. Because I don’t believe it. There’s about as much chance of that happening as me nude wrestling Matt Damon on the moon.

 

[paarsurrey]

Linguists can't invent English, French, or German since they already exists. But linguists have invented other languages. It's very popular to do it for TV show now.

Anyhow, I did study some linguistics, cultural anthropology, and philosophy in the past, and it's not a mystery how English, French, and German evolved. You know, there's only some 500 words left from the original Old English. All other hundreds of thousands of words are later "inventions".

"All other hundreds of thousands of words are later "inventions""

And most of them are rather borrowed from other languages. Right, please?

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[paarsurrey]

Would a bear or elk scratching as far up a tree as it could to mark its territory constitute writing?

And what is one's opinion about it, please?

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[Ouroboros]

"All other hundreds of thousands of words are later "inventions""

And most of them are rather borrowed from other languages. Right, please?

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Lot of them are made up or combinations of existing words and modified. We do invent new words.

 

[paarsurrey]

Lot of them are made up or combinations of existing words and modified. We do invent new words.

How many words did one invent that became current and went into the lexicon, please? Only such words go into the lexicon that become current , widespread and the masses like them fit to speak and write with convenience.
In the same way many words die out and become obsolete or become extinct. Right, please?

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[paarsurrey]

Chickens have a form of writing called chicken scratch, but so far, nobody can understand what the chickens are trying to write. NASA is working on it.

Pleas join NASA to work on the project for benefit of the "chickens" if some Chickens are left from the Burger companies . Right, please/

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[paarsurrey]

But the animals are happier and more virtuous than us.

There is no harm to give credit where it is due.
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[paarsurrey]

Depends what you mean by writing.

Bees will move in patterns tracing directional information to the location of a particularly useful plant bed with good pollen.

Is this a form of writing or must the animal in question have sn opposable thumb and be able to grasp pen or pencil?

Yes, the bees* have also been endowed by G-d with certain amazing peculiarities. No doubt about it.

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*[16:69]وَ اَوۡحٰی رَبُّکَ اِلَی النَّحۡلِ اَنِ اتَّخِذِیۡ مِنَ الۡجِبَالِ بُیُوۡتًا وَّ مِنَ الشَّجَرِ وَ مِمَّا یَعۡرِشُوۡنَ ﴿ۙ۶۹﴾
And thy Lord has inspired the bee, saying, ‘Make thou houses in the hills and in the trees and in the trellises which they build.
[16:70]ثُمَّ کُلِیۡ مِنۡ کُلِّ الثَّمَرٰتِ فَاسۡلُکِیۡ سُبُلَ رَبِّکِ ذُلُلًا ؕ یَخۡرُجُ مِنۡۢ بُطُوۡنِہَا شَرَابٌ مُّخۡتَلِفٌ اَلۡوَانُہٗ فِیۡہِ شِفَآءٌ لِّلنَّاسِ ؕ اِنَّ فِیۡ ذٰلِکَ لَاٰیَۃً لِّقَوۡمٍ یَّتَفَکَّرُوۡنَ ﴿۷۰﴾
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 16: An-Nahl

 

[paarsurrey]

What paranoid nonsense

We are looking for some pieces of wisdom from one. Please share them.
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[paarsurrey]

Chimps are using tools now. Who knows when they may start drawing words.

Let us see how many millions years they take to join humans in this domain.Why did they leave behind in this field, please?

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[paarsurrey]

Most probably not but cave paintings were sometimes accompanied by symbols and some caves were frequented by H. Sapiens as well as H. Neanderthalensis. Afaik, it is not known whether Neanderthals did paint the symbols, what meaning (if any) the symbols had and it can be argued that those symbols aren't really "writing".

Any body to add more to it, please.

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[Ouroboros]

How many words did one invent that became current and went into the lexicon, please? Only such words go into the lexicon that become current , widespread and the masses like them fit to speak and write with convenience.
In the same way many words die out and become obsolete or become extinct. Right, please?

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Words are added each year to the dictionaries. In the hundreds for Merriam-Webster.

 

[Ouroboros]

The Lord's Prayer in Old English:

Fæder ure
ðu ðe eart on heofenum
si ðin nama gehalgod
to-becume ðin rice
geweorþe ðin willa on eorðan swa swa on heofenum.
Urne ge dæghwamlican hlaf syle us to-deag
and forgyf us ure gyltas
swa swa we forgifaþ urum gyltendum
ane ne gelæde ðu us on costnunge
ac alys us of yfle.

Do we speak English like that today? Nope. It has changed, drastically, dramatically, extensively.

 

[Watchmen]

And what is one's opinion about it, please?

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Opinion: It is a basic and rudimentary form of “writing.”

 

[paarsurrey]

Words are added each year to the dictionaries. In the hundreds for Merriam-Webster.

• But not invented by a particular individual who could be identified. Right, please?
• Similarly, no individual claims that he had caused a word to die.Right, please?

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