The experience of connection to something greater than us all. A numious or mystical experience and the beliefs and practices that come from that experience.Define spiritual for me, please.
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The experience of connection to something greater than us all. A numious or mystical experience and the beliefs and practices that come from that experience.Define spiritual for me, please.
First off: I believe the claim that once you die you have no need for your body is true.
The experience of connection to something greater than us all. A numious or mystical experience and the beliefs and practices that come from that experience.
What's your point?I actually prefer a practical, and fact based answer. The "mystical experience" is a common experience of "dissociative state." It can be induced by fasting, sleep deprivation, trance, and various drugs.
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1985 "Superstition," G. S. Hurd. In Baker's Encyclopedia of Psychology, David Brenner (ed.) Baker Book House, Grand Rapids.
1985 "Trance and Possession States," E. M. Pattison, Joel Kahan, G. Hurd. In Handbook of Altered States of Consciousness. B. B. Walman and M. Ullman (ed.s) New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, pp. 286-310.
Well some people believe that their spirit lingers until their body is given proper rites. What rites those entail vary considerably religion to religion (or spiritual path or whatever.)First off: I believe the claim that once you die you have no need for your body is true. What I say in this post is based upon this being true. And I would be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't believe this.
If this is the case then why are we humans so pre-occupied with what happens to our flesh and bones after we die?
I think most of us have certain wishes – cremation, burial, medical science etc.
I personally favour being harvested of anything of any potential use to anyone else, and having the rest cremated, and my ashes scattered in a certain place
I can think of two reasons why people are so concerned, but there must be more:
First: People think there is a link between what happens to their body after death and what happens to their soul in the afterlife – consider the burial practices of Ancient Egypt. i.e. people don't believe they fully vacate their body once they die.
Second: The concern is a product of one’s lifelong attachment to one’s bodily form – to one’s “meat suit” as I have heard it described as by someone who believes the body and soul are separate...
Can anyone think of any more???
Also, this raises the further question:
Why should we respect the wishes people have regarding what happens to their body once they die?
My answer to this would be to invoke the Golden Rule – for whatever reason I care what happens to my body once I die and want those wishes respected, therefore I respect the wishes of others.
Have you ever been the one who has to organize the funeral? You have a body, some options for disposing of it, not a few formalities to see to, not a few people who should be consulted, and so on. In my tribe, the tradition is cremation, which has tended to keep things simpler in that respect.I believe the claim that once you die you have no need for your body is true. [...] If this is the case then why are we humans so pre-occupied with what happens to our flesh and bones after we die?
Isn't that like asking why the executors of the deceased shouldn't just turn the estate into money and pocket it? I'd say it was a simple matter of honor, but your Golden Rule fits as well. Fortunately for many beneficiaries, there's also the law to consider, and the keen eyes of the other relatives.Why should we respect the wishes people have regarding what happens to their body once they die?
First off: I believe the claim that once you die you have no need for your body is true. What I say in this post is based upon this being true. And I would be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't believe this.
I did not know that. Respect seems to have gone down quite a bit.Here in the UK, as perhaps elsewhere, relatives can override the wishes of the deceased usually, such that even if I wanted to donate my body to science (as I actually would want), this will likely not be the case since I don't get on with either of my nearest relatives and they might just disregard my wishes out of spite. This is something that should be changed and they should honour what the deceased wanted.
My body is of no use to me dead but it might be to others.
First off: I believe the claim that once you die you have no need for your body is true. What I say in this post is based upon this being true. And I would be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't believe this.......
I believe in the resurrection. When we die, the spirit leaves the body. The body, absent the spirit, is dead. At a future time the body and spirit will be reunited and we will be eternal immortal people with resurrected bodies...........................
I did not know that. Respect seems to have gone down quite a bit.
Personally I don't care what happens to my body. They should not cut me open, when still a little alive though
But maybe in the UK it will balance out in the end. Your don't end up in science + someone else does (both against their wishes)
Some people are horrible. Even not allowing you to die peacefully, respecting your last wishes. Hence I won't invite a soul when I leave the bodyI'm thinking of hiding my body - until my relatives have passed away too - perhaps a suitable crevasse in a glacier will be an appropriate location. Given that I have the means to do this!
Whichever takes longest to die, I thinkNot sure what would be worse - awakening whilst be cut open or awakening in an oven.
First off: I believe the claim that once you die you have no need for your body is true. What I say in this post is based upon this being true. And I would be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't believe this.
If this is the case then why are we humans so pre-occupied with what happens to our flesh and bones after we die?
I think most of us have certain wishes – cremation, burial, medical science etc.
I personally favour being harvested of anything of any potential use to anyone else, and having the rest cremated, and my ashes scattered in a certain place
I can think of two reasons why people are so concerned, but there must be more:
First: People think there is a link between what happens to their body after death and what happens to their soul in the afterlife – consider the burial practices of Ancient Egypt. i.e. people don't believe they fully vacate their body once they die.
Second: The concern is a product of one’s lifelong attachment to one’s bodily form – to one’s “meat suit” as I have heard it described as by someone who believes the body and soul are separate...
Can anyone think of any more???
Also, this raises the further question:
Why should we respect the wishes people have regarding what happens to their body once they die?
My answer to this would be to invoke the Golden Rule – for whatever reason I care what happens to my body once I die and want those wishes respected, therefore I respect the wishes of others.
I used to exclude Masochists from the Golden Rule. It seems Viole also needs to be excluded.Since I do not care at all to what happens to my body after my death, for obvious reasons, am I allowed to use the golden rule, too?
I used to exclude Masochists from the Golden Rule. It seems Viole also needs to be excluded.
Check: would you be fine if your body would be used by a "necrophile", say 1 minute after you die?
If you answer with "yes" ... I think we better exclude you from "allowing to use the golden rule"
That makes sense to me. For me the same. At age 20 they already tried to sell me ensurance to die nice. As if I care.So, i do not care at all. Burn it. Use it to feed worms. Whatever.
First off: I believe the claim that once you die you have no need for your body is true. What I say in this post is based upon this being true. And I would be interested to hear from anyone who doesn't believe this.
If this is the case then why are we humans so pre-occupied with what happens to our flesh and bones after we die?
I think most of us have certain wishes – cremation, burial, medical science etc.
I personally favour being harvested of anything of any potential use to anyone else, and having the rest cremated, and my ashes scattered in a certain place
I can think of two reasons why people are so concerned, but there must be more:
First: People think there is a link between what happens to their body after death and what happens to their soul in the afterlife – consider the burial practices of Ancient Egypt. i.e. people don't believe they fully vacate their body once they die.
Second: The concern is a product of one’s lifelong attachment to one’s bodily form – to one’s “meat suit” as I have heard it described as by someone who believes the body and soul are separate...
Can anyone think of any more???
Also, this raises the further question:
Why should we respect the wishes people have regarding what happens to their body once they die?
My answer to this would be to invoke the Golden Rule – for whatever reason I care what happens to my body once I die and want those wishes respected, therefore I respect the wishes of others.