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Why is this question related to Bahaullah?
Jesus wasn’t born under a date palm either *shrugs*Did Joseph and Mary live in Nazareth when Jesus was born?
There are different narrations in the NT Bible in this connection.
They lived in Nazareth, and traveled to Bethlehem because of a census.
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. Luke 2:1-7
They lived in a house in Bethlehem, and moved to Nazareth after returning from Egypt.
Jesus was born in a house in Bethlehem, where he was visited by the wise men from the east.
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? ... And they said unto him, in Bethlehem of Judaea .... And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him. Matthew 2:1-11
An angel appeared to Joseph in a dream, telling him to take Mary and Jesus to Egypt.
The angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and ... he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod. Matthew 2:13-15
They stayed in Egypt until an angel told Joseph in a dream to return to Israel.
When Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel ... And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel. Matthew 2:13-15
So they returned to Israel, where Joseph was told by an angel in a dream to go to Nazareth.
But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth. Matthew 2:22-23
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/before_birth.html
Yeshua the Nazarene (Yeshua Ha Notzri = Jesus the Wise)
Thank you, very interesting to know the exact meaning. Anyways, the origin was not a village called Nazareth, but it sounds similar, so you can understand how they made the switch.Point of Information:
"Nazarite" comes from the Hebrew word נזיר nazir meaning "consecrated" or "separated".
hyperlink >>> - wikipedia.org - Nazirite
The Nazir is described in Numbers Chap 6.
hyperlink >>> sefaria.org - Numbers 6
Jesus wasn’t born under a date palm either *shrugs*
Does one mean that when Jesus was born, Mary was not in Bethlehem of Judea but she was in Galilee? Right, please?I believe so because Luke bears the testimony of Mary. It has to be because she is the only one who would have known the Magnificat.
One means that what Jesus was born Mary was not in Bethlehem of Judea. Right, please?
Please elaborate it further.
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Did Joseph and Mary live in Nazareth*,Galilee when Jesus was born?
Actually no correction, because Nasirah, Nazara or Nazirah, Arabic an-Nāṣira, Hebrew Naẕerat, simply the same place. Spelling and language changes over the millennia, and is not a meaningful issue. Splitting frog hairs again . . .(Bahaullah): Did Joseph and Mary live in Nazareth* when Jesus was born?
Our friend @Marcion here pointed out in his post #7 that there was no village by the name Nazareth in Jesus' times. Please amend the title of the thread to read Nasirah instead of the word Nazareth in my posts in the thread. Nazareth is incorrect as pointed out by our friend here:
Is It Nazara or Nasirah? Or Is It Nazareth?
Nazara or Nazareth - Correct Birthplace of Jesus
Thanks for our friend @Marcion to point out the mistake and sorry for the correction.
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It would be more correct to say that according to the said scholars it is “more likely” Jesus was born in Nazareth than to say with dogmatic certainty “Jesus was not born in Bethlehem”.(Bahaullah): Did Joseph and Mary live in Nasirah when Jesus was born?
"However, Biblical scholarship has recently called the identification of Bethlehem as Jesus’ birthplace into question: If Jesus was indeed born in Bethlehem, why is he called a Nazorean and a Galilean throughout the New Testament, and why is Bethlehem not mentioned as Jesus’ birthplace outside of the infancy narratives in the Gospels? This has caused some to wonder if Jesus was actually born in Nazareth."
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org.../jesus-historical-jesus/where-was-jesus-born/
"What do we have, then? Four stories that all agree that he was from Nazareth. Two stories, contradictory and neither of them credible, go out of their way to explain how he could conveniently be born elsewhere in order to fit theological aims of the authors. To me, the simplest and most likely explanation seems to be that he was in fact born in Nazareth, and those two stories were just that, stories."
https://www.quora.com/Was-Jesus-born-in-Bethlehem-or-Nazareth
"Jesus was almost certainly born in Nazareth, whatever such popular carols as O Little Town of Bethlehem might suggest, a BBC documentary says.
Scholars interviewed for The Virgin Mary, to be shown on BBC1 on the Sunday before Christmas, conclude that the biblical accounts of Jesus's birth in Bethlehem are unreliable.
The programme, which portrays Mary as a 12- or 13-year-old called Miriam who is sold into marriage to Joseph, will upset traditionalists.
Christopher Maunder, a Roman Catholic theologian from York St John College at Leeds University, told the programme: "Of all the birth stories, the idea that Jesus was born in Bethlehem is probably the least convincing."
Mark Goodacre, a Bible historian from Birmingham University, said: "It is much more likely that Jesus was born in somewhere such as Nazareth and that what has happened is that the Gospel writers have placed him in Bethlehem because they see him as son of David."
BBC says Christ was born in Nazareth
So, Jesus was not born in Bethlehem. Right, please?
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It would be more correct to say that according to the said scholars it is “more likely” Jesus was born in Nazareth than to say with dogmatic certainty “Jesus was not born in Bethlehem”.
I presented no dogma,please read the following:
Standford Rives on Birthplace of Jesus
Excerpt from Original Gospel of Matthew: Appendices Vol. 2 pages 148-50 -- (available in our Amazon bookstore) without its footnotes.
Is It Nazara? Or Is It Nazareth?
A late Greek translator misread Nazara—a city in the south—as Nazareth—a city in the north that did not likely exist until several more decades after Christ. Scholars have concurred on this point because the early church writers such as Origen circa 207 AD and Jerome in the early 400s repetitiously quote numerous Matthean passages speaking of Nazara not Nazareth. Origen did not know of any manuscript that spelled it as Nazareth. Also, in the Shem-Tob Matthew 3:13, it speaks of Nazarel which is close to Nazara.
http://astore.amazon.com/jwoogm-20.
Professors Jeffrey J. Bütz and James Tabor in The Secret Legacy of Jesus (Bear & Company, 2010) at 75-76 explain that Jesus was likely called ‘Jesus the Nazarene’ and not “Jesus of Nazareth.” They explain “many scholars now make the argument that the name Jesus of Nazareth was a mistranslation of the original phrase, Jesus the Nazarene, and that it did not refer to the town of Nazareth at all.” They note that Nazareth may not even have been in existence in Jesus’ day.
This explains why in the earliest church, Christ and Christians were called Nazarenes. See Matt. 2:23, “fulfill be called a Nazarene”; Luke 24:19 “Jesus the Nazarene”;Acts 24:5 “sect of the Nazarenes.”
The New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia concurs: “In the time of Eusebius and St. Jerome (Onomasticon), its name was Nazara (in modern Arabic, en Nasirah), which therefore, seems to be the correct name; in the New Testament we find its derivatives written Nazarenos, or Nazoraios, but never Nazaretaios. The etymology of Nazara is neser, which means ‘a shoot.’”
While later Greek manuscripts have Matthew 4:13 say Nazareth, the earliest Greek manuscripts of Matthew must have likewise spelled the word as “Nazara.” We know this because this is how it was quoted in the early church writings. See, Theodor Keim, Edmund Martin Geldart, The History of Jesus of Nazara (Williams and Norgate, 1879) Volume 4 at 108 fn. 1 (“Origen...prefers to write nazara in 10:16 of his commentary on Matthew three times...[and seven times in his commentary on John]. Jerome gives it nomine Nazara....”)
Rather than anyone realizing a translation error, it was later assumed Nazara was the same as a city later known as Nazareth. Thus, “Nazara” came to be “generally considered the earliest form of the name [Nazareth] in Greek.” (“Nazareth,” Wikipedia.)
In Matthew 4:13 in the Shem-Tob, we see it uses Nazerel, in keeping with the earliest Greek tradition.
This helps explain the prophecy that “he shall be called a nazarene.” The name of the town nazara / nazerel not Nazareth was in view. This has etymological Messianic associations that are important which the Nazareth mistranslation destroys. Nicholson explains that in Isaiah 11:1, the Messiah is a “branch” (netser) from Jesse’s root. In Zechariah 6:12, we read: “Branch (NTSR) shall he be called.” Nicholson then notes: “It is generally held that there is a real etymological connexion between Nazara and netser.” (Nicholson: 33.) Thus, calling Jesus a Branch was to call him a netser in Hebrew. This was the root meaning of Nazara.
It thus appears the correct name for Jesus’ early residence was Nazara. It is a key change in spelling so we see a fulfilled prophecy of Zechariah 6:12. See also Isaiah 11:1.
Netser-Branch Prophecy Behind ‘He Will Be Called A Nazarene’
Jerome said the Hebrew OT had a prophecy that Messiah would be called a “Nazarene.” Many Christians wonder where can this be found. It requires knowledge of Hebrew to recognize it. Jerome is focusing upon the word Branch in Hebrew which is Netser. The Septuagint mistranslated it in 257 BC with a Greek word meaning “flower” rather than Branch in Zechariah 6:12. Thus, Jerome argued the verse had been lost by mistranslation in the Greek Septuagint. Netser was the word he focused upon.
Zechariah 6:12 in modern Bibles follows the Hebrew, not the Septuagint Greek of 257 BC. The word “branch” is netser in Hebrew—the root word for the city of Nazara—the true name of the town where Jesus lived at one time. Thereby we realize Jerome was recognizing Zechariah 6:12 is the verse Matthew meant as the prophecy ‘he will be called a Nazarene.’ Today Zechariah 6:12 reads about a Messiah figure: “the man whose name is The BRANCH (Heb. NTSR).”
END: Excerpt from Standford Rives, Original Gospel of Matthew: The Appendices (2014) at 148-150 available in our Amazon bookstore at http://astore.amazon.com/jwoogm-20.
Nazara or Nazareth - Correct Birthplace of Jesus
It is a reasonable understanding, rather. Right, please?
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