Hitler wasn't even a Christian. He hated Christianity.I'm trying to get through the Mao and Pol Pot thread but the notion that Hitler represents over 2 billion people is stupid.
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Hitler wasn't even a Christian. He hated Christianity.I'm trying to get through the Mao and Pol Pot thread but the notion that Hitler represents over 2 billion people is stupid.
I have never heard an atheist state that Hitler was representative of all Christians or denominations. I have heard Christians state that Hitler’s atrocities are atributable to him being an atheist. Most atheists simply state in defense that Hitler grew up as a Catholic, and he sometimes invoked the Christian god in his speeches. His storm troopers wore belt buckles with the inscription “God is with us”.
He certainly may have been a con man in some ways. But also, consider that “con man” and “Christian” are apparently not mutually exclusive terms.
You can try to invoke the “not a true Christian” crutch, but there is no way to objectively make such a discernment. Different factions in Christianity often point to other factions and claim they are not “true Christians, and use the same book to make their arguments. From the outside, one can only take the person’s word that they believe in the Christian god. There is no other reliable means of measurement.
personally, I think the jury is still out and there is no definitive answer, only educated guesses.
at any rate, you are erecting a straw man argument that I have never heard anyone use.
Celtic and Germanic peoples had their own writing systems beforehand.. It was Christianity that brought writing to the Slavic, Germanic and Celtic peoples.
Hitler wasn't a Christian at all. He mocked Christians and Christianity.
I'm trying to get through the Mao and Pol Pot thread but the notion that Hitler represents over 2 billion people is stupid.
Wrong, he was the catholic leader of a majority protestant country. He killed atheists and raised christians to power, he had the full backing of the vatican.
Compared to a modern day nonentity internet hack who never met him but is after sensationalism to boost his website hits and advertising revenue i will take the word of popes, cardinals, hitlers hitlers contemporaries and hitler himself on what his religion was.
I don't agree. Hitler persecuted the Catholic clergy as well.
His contemporaries report that he mocked and ridiculed religion except when it was useful in one of his speeches. Religion was just another tool in his toolkit.
Not for their religion but for the opposition to his government.
Hitler table talk (as far as i am aware the original source of such claims) was composed by 3rd parties, often from hearsay. As such and serious historian would discount it as a primary source.
Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs have been a matter of debate; the wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious, anti-Christian, anti-clerical and scientistic.
Why do you think he was religious?
Whatever Hitler's personal religious beliefs, he still:Hitler wasn't even a Christian. He hated Christianity.
That is not precisely true on 2 counts
1/ a persons faith is not a subject for debate, it is no onex prerogative to dictate the faith of another person.
2/ the "historians" deciding hitlers faith tend to be american christian who will not accept that a christian can be so evil.
You should note that although america has (had) much influence it only accounts for 5% of the world population. Translate that to historians and you are a long, long way from consensus. Perhaps a local consensus but nothing to change history.
I never said he was religious but i did say he was christian. I have previously said why in this thread, not repeating it now.
I understand what you are saying.. that Hitler can't be a Christian because Christians can't do evil things. People make the same argument for Muslims. I would say ISIS has b*stardized Islam.
This is pretty interesting.
For a man whom history can never forget, Adolf Hitler remains a persistent mystery on one front—his religious faith.
Atheists tend to insist Hitler was a devout Christian. Christians counter that he was an atheist. And still others suggest that he was a practicing member of the occult.
None of these theories are true, says historian
Delving more deeply into the question of Hitler’s religious faith than any researcher to date, Weikart reveals the startling and fascinating truth about the most hated man of the 20th century: Adolf Hitler was a pantheist who believed nature was God.
In Hitler’s Religion, Weikart explains how the laws of nature became Hitler’s only moral guide—how he became convinced he would serve God by annihilating supposedly “inferior” human beings and promoting the welfare and reproduction of the allegedly superior Aryans in accordance with racist forms of Darwinism prevalent at the time.
Hitler's Religion - Regnery Publishing
Richard Weikart is one of those christian american historians and a creationist to boot. I would take his claims as being equal to the claim of god dun it wiv magic.?
Why would a man who it is claimed was anti religious have his own bishop, praise god, ensure his troops were blessed by a priest before every engagement and have "got mit uns" as the military motto?
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Don't you think Hitler was good at manipulating the masses? God is with us is justification for theft and murder.. It elevates racism and genocide to something noble.
Well, that hit me right between the eyes.. Very old testament, isn't it?
He was very good at manipulation, that in no way dictates or negates his faith. It took a lot of willing people to keep him in power, to man his armies and to operate his gas chambers, most of whom were also christian.
That is your opinion, hitler believed god was on his side and condoned his actions, as do many powerful people
A Wehrmacht belt buckle, other branches of his forces had the christian swastika as a centre to the motto
It only does that with people who consider God to be noble, e.g. Christians. "God is with us" doesn't carry much weight with atheists.Don't you think Hitler was good at manipulating the masses? God is with us is justification for theft and murder.. It elevates racism and genocide to something noble.
I'm sorry... Hitler played the Christian for the mobs..
Diary of the Hitler Diary Hoax | The New Yorker
Diary of the Hitler Diary Hoax. By Sally McGrane. April 25, 2013 ... the Hitler Diaries hoax is still the biggest scandal to have hit German journalism after 1945. ... Hitler’s private secretary …
Diary of the Hitler Diary Hoax
On April 25, 1983, Stern magazine—the German answer to Life—held a press conference to make a sensational announcement: their star reporter had discovered a trove of Hitler’s personal diaries, lost since a plane crash in 1945. Now Stern would begin publishing what he’d found.
The magazine claimed that the diaries—of which, remarkably, there had been no previous record—would require a major rewriting of Hitler’s biography and the history of the Third Reich.
The handwritten volumes included everything from descriptions of flatulence and halitosis (“Eva says I have bad breath”), to an account of Braun’s hysterical pregnancy in 1940, and the revelation that a surprisingly sensitive Hitler didn’t know what was happening to the Jews...
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Oh. My. Yet *another* KKKrisitian Apologizer, creating lies in a vain and futile attempt to "explain" how a Genuine Christian could go all Holocaust on the world....
*yawn*
IMO, Hitler put Martin Luther's ideas into action. Condemning the one ought to me condemning the other.
I can understand how a Catholic could say that their faith has nothing to do with Hitler, but not a Protestant.