What of the religions that worship nature?
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Atheism is a RELIGION
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Matheist
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They worship "no religion (nature)".
It could be any from the three worldviews of Animism, Theism and Ethicalism.
For example: Christian Animism
Christian Animism… earth-based, creation-focussed spirituality, God's living prescence within all matter
God's living presence within all matter
He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)
and Matheism, God is the conditions of natural harmony for all species.
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Shadow Wolf
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Theists aren't atheists though. That's why we have that divide. Christians, Hindus, and so on most certainly are not "without belief in god." Logically such a stretch doesn't work, and if we tried to extend to the same sentiments to chemistry, coding, or electronics things will not work. After all, carbon dioxide is just one atom more than carbon monoxide. A closed electricity circuit that has a power source will draw energy, and the circuit is closed. It isn't broken or open, in anyways, because it has just one less failed solder point than many other open circuits.
We don't even hold a concept of god or religion when we are born. Much like how when we are born we are culturally nothing as we have no concept of culture and have not been taught culture.
Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.
I've heard it said that atheism is a religion in that it adheres to the dogmatic view that there is No God.
Since this can Not be proven, it is the exercise of faith in the non-existence of God.
Nope, there is no evidence for god, what is dogmatic about fact? What faith is needed to have faith in that fact?
Its a simple and logical case of why believe something that is not there?
Believing in something not there reminds me of the old childhood poem my grandfather used to tell me.
The other day upon the stair
I saw a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish that man would go away.
The only way atheism can be called faith is by religious folk who cannot comprehend a situation where faith in an unproven concept doesnt exist. It goes against their very being so they have to make up irrelevant nonsense to justify their own sensibilities.
200 years ago I find it could Not be proven that there were radio waves.
Just because one can't precieve that something does Not exist does Not mean it does Not exist.
Can't prove God does Not exist, and many great minds have tried, so that view qualifies as dogmatic or religious.
Interest in making disciples (the poem), then that sounds like an atheistic religious belief.
Radio waves are energy and measurable, they existed from the begining of the universe. They had a physical and quantifiable effect even if if they could not be detected.
Not the same situation for gods so pretty much irrelevant.
There are actually several proofs that gods and aspects of gods dont exist. Problem is that god believers will not accept those proofs.
You have my attention...
Same for such things as invisible wind and sound being measurable and energy.
Energy existed before the beginning of the universe, because God existed first - Isaiah 40:26.
God's 'power and strength' is God's abundant dynamic 'energy' He used to create the material realm - Psalms 104:30.
God unbelievers will not accept the Bible and apparently Not accept the intelligence it took for an orderly universe to come out of chaos.
How many times, I wonder, must the same thing be said until it finally breaks through that impenetrable wall that simply doesn't want to acknowledge? I'm guessing the answer must be infinite, which is a real pity. I have an open enough mind that when somebody makes a point, I at least process it and either accept it or reject it based on the reasons given...or occasionally defer any decision.
Atheism, for almost all of the atheists I've ever know, adheres to no such "dogmatic view that there is No God." I've written myself that I cannot know that, and therefore I cannot adhere to it.
What we do say, however, is that there is no evidence acceptable to us for some activity that can only be described as being by Divine Providence, and that all of the explanations for God, descriptions of Gods, and claims of what God has done, is doing, might do, or wants, are inevitably so filled with logical contradictions when considered from the viewpoint of this real world where we live -- and which this God is supposed to be responsible for creating and maintaining -- that the only reasonable choice for us is to say: "well, whether any God might exist, the ones we've been told about are too contradictory and absurd to consider."
lukethethird
unknown member
Since when did atheists start caring about faith based god beliefs?
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
If people do not believe in God and that makes them happy
I think that is alright with me.
There are lots of things in this world that couldn't be seen
These things could often times be felt
Most of the times they are invisible, odorless and colorless
Like oxygen,and nitrogen
These things are just there and we breath them.
These things that couldn't be seen are sometimes unexplained
For example gravity
Scientists Admit, Embarrassingly, We Don’t Know How Strong The Force Of Gravity Is
How they came to be and how these things play in our lives
are things that I have to be grateful about
if they are freak accidents, lucky random chances and coincidences
still these are the things to be thankful for.
I think that is alright with me.
There are lots of things in this world that couldn't be seen
These things could often times be felt
Most of the times they are invisible, odorless and colorless
Like oxygen,and nitrogen
These things are just there and we breath them.
These things that couldn't be seen are sometimes unexplained
For example gravity
Scientists Admit, Embarrassingly, We Don’t Know How Strong The Force Of Gravity Is
How they came to be and how these things play in our lives
are things that I have to be grateful about
if they are freak accidents, lucky random chances and coincidences
still these are the things to be thankful for.
Dell
Asteroid insurance?
The official definition of Atheism #151
atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Conclusion
1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.
2. The claim for belief in God (The Dawkin's Scale *)
3. The claim for disbelief in God
4. The claim for without belief in God
(vs. not making a choice when everything has its causes and effects, IS A CHOICE - Burden of Proof)
* There are 320,000,000 Gods
Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
Atheism is a Religion.
*
Premise 1: Who is an Atheist?
Pure Agnostic: God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.
Premise 2: "Equiprobable, skeptical, improbable" means:
1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
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Conclusion: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods
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4. Pure Agnostic
God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
equiprobable: (of two or more things) equally likely to occur; having EQUAL PROBABILITY.
Therefore:
1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
5. Weak Atheist
I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
Therefore:skeptical1. not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations.
2. relating to the theory that certain knowledge is impossible.
1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
6. De-facto Atheist
I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.
Therefore:improbable1. not likely to be true or to happen.
synonyms: unlikely, not likely, doubtful, dubious, debatable, questionable, uncertain;
More: unexpected and apparently inauthentic.
1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
Progress:
The definition #1 #151 Atheism is a Religion . #6 #32#37 #41 #205 #223
Strawman Fallacy: #235
Worldviews: #241
"Religous Creationistⁿ need to stop beating this drum...the beat is very boring.
Atheist see the Idea of a Deity God as physically impossible, it is as simple as that. No being has ability to be omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, and Holy. No way can you get an atheist religion or worship of disbelief of religious idealism, thats ridiculous....
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
A Christian lacks belief in all gods except Yahweh. Likewise for a Jew. A Muslim lacks belief in all gods except Allah. Hindus lack belief in all gods save for the ones in their religion. Likewise for ANY person who has a religious belief. They all lack belief in Gods that are not in their religion.
And since an atheist has no religion at all, they will not believe in any gods.
A Christian is an atheist when it comes to Shiva.
So when we are born, we lack a belief in God. After all, you can't have a belief in something if you have no concept of it. You have no concept of what a Plendingle is, and I'm sure you lack a belief in plendingles.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Absence of evidence when such evidence should exist is indeed evidence of absence.
For example, there is no evidence that there is an elephant standing behind me as I write this. Yet we can both agree that if an elephant WAS standing behind me, there would be evidence that it was there. Since the evidence I would expect to find if an elephant was there is absent, I conclude that there is no elephant.
Likewise, if atheism was a religion, there would be evidence that it has holy texts, holy men, rituals and ceremonies, gathering places, observance of important days, and so on.
Christianity has the Bible, what does atheism have?
Christianity has priests, fathers, nuns, cardinal, pastors, etc, what does atheism have?
Christianity has christenings, baptisms, the Eucharist, Sunday worship, Lent, and the Pentecost , what does Atheism have?
Christianity has churches and cathedrals, what does atheism have?
Christianity has Christmas and Easter, what does atheism have?
Atheism is not a religion.
If an atheist thinks there might be a God, then how can that person be an atheist ?
That sounds to me more like the definition of an agnostic person.
If something seems improvable that does Not necessarily mean impossible.
I do wonder what teaching of Jesus is too contradictory and absurd to consider.
Some people 'look in the mirror and see their god' as evidence.
What ever a person puts first in life is their belief, their faith.
P.S. what you described above for the most part describes 'Christendom' (so-called Christian but mostly in name only)
PureX
Veteran Member
By what reasoning do you assume that evidence for the existence of "God" should exist, and would be recognizable by humans?
1. The reasoning that one specific set of ancient religious myths be taken as the definitive material reality of God?
2. The reasoning that the cognitive mechanisms of a human being be taken as defining the limits of all that does or could possibly exist?
We are all born with a capacity for spirituality. The world's religions show that.
If Not taught the right concept then another concept will take it's place.
The bible is not a history book.
You have it wrong way round which is what happens when you take the word of a bronze age book.
The universe, .in its plasma state was quite orderly, then gravity began to impose its influence. Since then it has become more and more chaotic.
As the universe ages so entropy increases