The Tragedy Of Transgendered Youth

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So the APA admits it used standards from medicine and psychiatry. Trying to pass the onus to the church post facto is hilarious. Talk about trying to pass the buck for its own screw up! The church doesn’t control the APA, it never has.

Since I am not a Christian, I have no onus to defend its position on homosexuality. But the church never called homosexuality a mental disorder. Its position is that it is a “sin”.

It is a fact. Before 1973 the APA defined homosexuality as a mental disorder. Also if it took them decades and decades and decades to stand up to the Christian Church’s position on homosexuality, that belies it is a decidedly craven, feckless and unscientific organization.

And? What's your point? Science advances. Homosexuality used to be considered a mental disorder. It isn't know. What's your argument, that homosexuality is a mental disorder because people who mistakenly called it a mental disorder were mistaken to re-classify it? That isn't logical.

Further, I'm still waiting for an example of a mental illness that was declassified as a mental illness, then later re-classified as one.

 

[Salvador]

Seeing as you've admitted to exposing yourself to a woman who was just doing her job in the restroom, I doubt that any of us care about what you think on this subject and longer. Your credibility has been nuked into oblivion. It's obvious that you're just projecting your own predatory tendencies onto others.

I agree with you transgender persons don't usually create any problems with anybody else in the restroom, but they open up women restroom accessibility to sexual harassers like me or somebody even worse than me like a rapist.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Well yeah, there are hardly any real transgender people; so of course, there are too few of them to be statistically significant.

If the problem of men sneaking into women's bathrooms claiming to be trans for the explicit purpose of sexually assaulting women is the huge problem you seem to think, wouldn't it be statistically significant? You claimed the problem wasn't actual transpeople, but men PRETENDING to be trans. Come on, put your money where your mouth is. Or would you prefer to admit you do actually know this paternalistic argument is nonsense appeal to emotion and devoid of any factual basis in reality?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I agree with you transgender persons don't usually create any problems with anybody else in the restroom, but they open up women restroom accessibility to sexual harassers like me or somebody even worse than me like a rapist.

Because a would be rapist will be stopped by the "women" icon on a restroom door? Please.


Same bet, women in a restroom are more likely to be sexually assaulted by another woman than they are a man pretending to be a transwoman. 20:1. A years salary, how 'bout it?

 

[Skwim]

No I'm not intimidated by any woman in this men's restroom.

Then why even bring up the issue of intimidation if none is going on? One wouldn't. Yet this is exactly what you have done.

"Cripples don't bother me, they are physically non-intimidating; hence, I don't mind whichever gender designated restroom where they choose to use a private stall sit-down toilet"​

Implying there are people who do intimidate you. So, if it isn't cripples, then who does intimidate you in the men's room if it isn't women?

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[Shadow Wolf]

It isn’t irrelevant. It demonstrates that the APA has changed its opinion in the past so accepting any of its current opinions needs to be done acknowledging that.

Most people are aware the APA changes positions, especially since the DSM-V was somewhat still recently published, and it came with a number of adjustments.

You write it is “extremely doubtful” that it could change their opinion back to calling homosexuality a mental disorder. With respect I say they could. They have made mistakes before, after all, by there own admission.

They could, true. But it's incredibly doubtful because, as I stated previously, the evidence is not suggesting there is a reason to do so. Homosexuals are just fine being homosexual. Other than the struggles they face (which revolve around who others treat them) there really isn't much of a reason for them to be seen by clinician unless they have other issues going on. Many don't, and are well adjusted adults who are at least adequately functioning in their daily lives. They accept themselves and tend to move on. Why do they need our services?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Woman allegedly raped by man in restaurant toilet

Wasn't stopped by the "women's only" sign

Sickening details about man suspected of sexually assaulting girl in toilet

Wasn't stopped by the "women's only" sign

Girl, 8, sexually assaulted in restaurant toilets as police look for man in 30s

Wasn't stopped by the "women's only" sign

Shall I continue?

Oh, none of them were pretending to be transgender, either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was specifically thinking of comparing cultures outside the US.

I would like to see such results as well.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, it is a false unsubstantiated charge. Considering that there are large populations without Biblical believers that yet support discrimination it is ineluctable that Biblical belief is not a requisite for discrimination. You wrongfully ascribe to causality that which mere association explains.

How is it a false charge when they themselves will tell you their views are Biblically based? The secular arguments against have largely fallen out of favor. Those based on the Bible are still alive and thriving, especially in America.

 

[Tiberius]

Gay and transgender are related but separate concepts and issues.

Related in what way?

 

[Salvador]

Then why even bring up the issue of intimidation if none is going on? One wouldn't. Yet this is exactly what you have done.

"Cripples don't bother me, they are physically non-intimidating; hence, I don't mind whichever gender designated restroom where they choose to use a private stall sit-down toilet"​

Implying there are people who do intimidate you. So, if it isn't cripples, then who does intimidate you in the men's room if it isn't women?

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I've never been intimidated by anybody in the men's restroom; in fact, there could have been transgender people there whom I didn't even know were transgender. I'm intimidated by men being allowed in the women's restroom, because this would tempt me to go in there and be Mr. Flasher; for this reason alone, we should have gender designated restrooms

 

[Salvador]

Because a would be rapist will be stopped by the "women" icon on a restroom door? Please.

Security cameras outside the public restrooms alerting security might deter a would be rapist from going into the women's restroom if he were not supposed to ever be there.

 

[Salvador]

Woman allegedly raped by man in restaurant toilet

Wasn't stopped by the "women's only" sign

Sickening details about man suspected of sexually assaulting girl in toilet

Wasn't stopped by the "women's only" sign

Girl, 8, sexually assaulted in restaurant toilets as police look for man in 30s

Wasn't stopped by the "women's only" sign

Shall I continue?

Oh, none of them were pretending to be transgender, either.

A camera outside the restroom alerting security or restaurant management might have deterred this from ever happening.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

because this would tempt me to go in there and be Mr. Flasher; for this reason alone, we should have gender designated restrooms

Society doesn't exist to cater to you, your problems, your whims, or your beliefs. You're trying to create a problem where one doesn't exist (or, at least, is of a source other than where you try to pin the blame).

 

[Skwim]

I've never been intimidated by anybody in the men's restroom; in fact, there could have been transgender people there whom I didn't even know were transgender. I'm intimidated by men being allowed in the women's restroom, because this would tempt me to go in there and be Mr. Flasher; for this reason alone, we should have gender designated restrooms

Obviously you missed my post where I tried to explain the meaning of "intimidated" to you. Let me try again.

intimidate
[in-tim-i-deyt]

verb (used with object), in·tim·i·dat·ed, in·tim·i·dat·ing.
to make timid; fill with fear.
to overawe or cow, as through the force of personality or by superior display of wealth, talent, etc.
to force into or deter from some action by inducing fear:

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[Salvador]

Society doesn't exist to cater to you, your problems, your whims, or your beliefs. You're trying to create a problem where one doesn't exist (or, at least, is of a source other than where you try to pin the blame).

Likewise, society shouldn't exist to cater to the whims, problems, or beliefs of transgenders. Society has existed without any significant problems from gender designated restrooms. If men were allowed to share restrooms with women, then a flasher like me would expose himself to some lady who's there alone with him. It'd be his word against her's, she then wouldn't be able to complain he was there where he wasn't supposed to be.

 

[Salvador]

Obviously you missed my post where I tried to explain the meaning of "intimidated" to you. Let me try again.

intimidate
[in-tim-i-deyt]

verb (used with object), in·tim·i·dat·ed, in·tim·i·dat·ing.
to make timid; fill with fear.
to overawe or cow, as through the force of personality or by superior display of wealth, talent, etc.
to force into or deter from some action by inducing fear:

.​

I've made the case why there should be gender designated restrooms; this has to do with intimidation of women by pervert flashers like me who do the intimidating.

 

[Salvador]

I've made the case why there should be gender designated restrooms; this has to do with intimidation of women by pervert flashers like me who do the intimidating.

Alles Klar Herr Skwim!

 

[Prestor John]

And fortunately, we have this thing called "the scientific method" that means we don't have to base our understanding of such issues on beliefs, but can use actual evidence, instead.

It is not mere belief only, but an opinion I believe is arguable.

I recently receive instruction from moderators to say "I believe..." when stating my opinion.

Your sarcasm aside, would you mind sharing this "evidence" with me?

So far, I have seen nothing to justify the idea that transgender people don't suffer from mental illness.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Society has existed without any significant problems from gender designated restrooms.

That's because typically we use the restroom that we identify and present as with no issues or problems until someone like you decides to make a fuss about it and insist men are using the women's restroom. If people like you just went about your own business like everyone else this wouldn't be an issue or topic and we'd all go about our business none the wiser. Because most people aren't particularly interested in or checking out others in the restroom.