Police behavior

[averageJOE]

Next time you need a law enforcement officer why don't you ask him or her if they have met their arrest quota for the week. This may be why you can't be taken seriously...

Been there, done that. And I couldn't take them seriously.

 

[BSM1]

It appears she sat somewhere that she was in the way. And the arrest looks like it was in a hallway. The poor quality video looks that way at least.

She was asked to move by security first. She refused. They had to call the police and I am betting that she still refused. At that point they would have had to arrest her, but that was where the police screwed up. The use of force of that sort was unnecessary. They could have taken both the mother and the child outside and separated them where tearing the kid away was not needed.

I am not saying that the police are blameless here. They should have arrested her, but clearly not in this manner.

Although I don't disagree with you we don't know if she had made threats against anyone if front of the police.

 

[Shaul]

Why respect them? They're cops because they have to be. They have to be bossing people around or they can't be happy.

...People of that nature, I can't respect. Same for most security guards. One time I met a radical Muslim security guard... That was a trip. He approached everybody he saw and asked them what they were doing. Total dufus.

It seems someone has an “issue” with authority figures.

 

[Shaul]

So are we supposed to opine without facts? Sounds like a futile exercise.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Although I don't disagree with you we don't know if she had made threats against anyone if front of the police.

Even if she did she was not in a position to carry out any such threats. I she had said "I have a bomb" or some other such serious threat it would have been made public by the police. I think that you are grasping at straws. It does appear that she did deserve to be arrested. Another article on the topic:

2 workers on leave over video showing boy wrenched from mom's arms

"The Brooklyn Public Defender's Office says the mother, Jazmine Headley, had taken a day off work to go to the center. She was trying to determine why the child day care benefit she had received for her 1-year-old son had been cut off.

The defender's office says Headley, 23, was sitting on the floor because there weren't enough chairs in the busy center. She was asked to move multiple times as the situation escalated, and eventually security called 911."

I do not remember if I posted a link, but she had been arrested earlier for a credit identity theft. If she was working a scam it seems dubious to me that she was employed. Perhaps she lost her benefits since she was not working and did not need them. At any rate she was far from innocent, but the police still had to treat her like any other human being. They had more than enough to gently force her out of that office once she was arrested. No need to use force on the child.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So are we supposed to opine without facts? Sounds like a futile exercise.

We have facts. Granted they are limited, but even limited facts tells us that the police could and should have done better.

 

[BSM1]

We have facts. Granted they are limited, but even limited facts tells us that the police could and should have done better.

Uhh..I think that would fall more under 'opinion' than fact'...just sayin'.

 

[averageJOE]

It seems someone has an “issue” with authority figures.

Authority figures? Police are public SERVANTS. WE are their authority figures. They only have authority over us if we break the law. This woman broke NO law. The police did this to her because she dared to tell them NO and gave them "attitude". Neither which are against the law. The only victims in this situation were the cops egos.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Uhh..I think that would fall more under 'opinion' than fact'...just sayin'.

An opinion based upon evidence. Unlike some people's posts here.

 

[BSM1]

Even if she did she was not in a position to carry out any such threats. I she had said "I have a bomb" or some other such serious threat it would have been made public by the police. I think that you are grasping at straws. It does appear that she did deserve to be arrested. Another article on the topic:

2 workers on leave over video showing boy wrenched from mom's arms

"The Brooklyn Public Defender's Office says the mother, Jazmine Headley, had taken a day off work to go to the center. She was trying to determine why the child day care benefit she had received for her 1-year-old son had been cut off.

The defender's office says Headley, 23, was sitting on the floor because there weren't enough chairs in the busy center. She was asked to move multiple times as the situation escalated, and eventually security called 911."

I do not remember if I posted a link, but she had been arrested earlier for a credit identity theft. If she was working a scam it seems dubious to me that she was employed. Perhaps she lost her benefits since she was not working and did not need them. At any rate she was far from innocent, but the police still had to treat her like any other human being. They had more than enough to gently force her out of that office once she was arrested. No need to use force on the child.

Seriously? It took all of them to get the kid (who may have been packing, who knows?). I don't think 'gentle force' was even an option.

 

[BSM1]

An opinion based upon evidence. Unlike some people's posts here.

If that were only the case...

 

[Koldo]

Does it matter? Even if there was nowhere else for her to sit you cannot block a walkway in a medical facility.

Yes, it matters to me. I would like to know if the staff was making an issue out of her sitting on the floor, no matter where she would sit, or if she was the one creating the problem by sitting exactly where she couldn't.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Authority figures? Police are public SERVANTS. WE are their authority figures. They only have authority over us if we break the law. This woman broke NO law. The police did this to her because she dared to tell them NO and gave them "attitude". Neither which are against the law. The only victims in this situation were the cops egos.

You would be wrong there. She was obstructing a hallway. She had been asked to move several times. She would probably have been charge with "trespassing" at the very least:

"The chaos unfolded after Headley sat on the floor of the office’s crowded waiting room with her son as she awaited a child-care voucher, according to Ferguson.

A security guard told Headley that she had to get up, according to the police statement, but she refused, and office staff called 911 “due to her disorderly conduct towards others, and for obstructing the hallway.”

According to Scott Henchinger, director of policy at Brooklyn Defender Services, the public defender organization representing Headley, the mother had been waiting at the office for four hours without a place to sit. “That’s why she sat on [the] ground,” Henchinger tweeted Monday.

Arriving police officers ordered Headley to leave. When she refused, police said officers arrested her and Headley resisted."


NYPD Investigates 'Troubling' Video Of Cops Ripping 1-Year-Old From Mother’s Arms | HuffPost

From that article it looks like she could be charged with trespassing, refusing to obey a lawful order, and resisting arrest to begin with.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, it matters to me. I would like to know if the staff was making an issue out of her sitting on the floor, no matter where she would sit, or if she was the one creating the problem by sitting exactly where she couldn't.

Since she chose to sit in a hallway where others had to walk it appears that she created the problem. I am not saying that the police were blameless, far from it. But to be fair one needs to acknowledge that her illegal actions started this whole thing. See my prior posts for quotes and links on her behavior.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If that were only the case...

So you are saying that you are blind. No problem.

 

[Koldo]

Since she chose to sit in a hallway where others had to walk it appears that she created the problem. I am not saying that the police were blameless, far from it. But to be fair one needs to acknowledge that her illegal actions started this whole thing. See my prior posts for quotes and links on her behavior.

You see, I find it weird that she was required to leave rather than sitting elsewhere. This is why I think it is possible that no matter where on the floor she sat she wouldn't be allowed to do so.

 

[Shaul]

Authority figures? Police are public SERVANTS. WE are their authority figures. They only have authority over us if we break the law. This woman broke NO law. The police did this to her because she dared to tell them NO and gave them "attitude". Neither which are against the law. The only victims in this situation were the cops egos.

They are servants acting as law enforcement authority figures. Methinks thou dost protest too much.

Short of omniscience, it is patently beyond you to declare that this woman broke no law. Your statement that is so is invalid.

 

[Shad]

Authority figures? Police are public SERVANTS. WE are their authority figures.

Nope. Try ordering an cop to do something and see how it turns out.

Authority as in power to enforce laws, investigate crime, use lethal force, etc. Authority and authorization you do not have.

They only have authority over us if we break the law.

Nope. Heard of a traffic cop?

This woman broke NO law.

Trespassing, refusing to comply and disorderly conduct seems likely just from the OP tiny bit of information.

The police did this to her because she dared to tell them NO and gave them "attitude".

Which is refusal to comply and disorderly conduct.

Neither which are against the law.

Wrong.

The only victims in this situation were the cops egos.

Nope it was the child and child only so far.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You see, I find it weird that she was required to leave rather than sitting elsewhere. This is why I think it is possible that no matter where on the floor she sat she wouldn't be allowed to do so.

Did you read the sources that I posted? She was first asked to move and she refused. They asked her to move several times. Then they called the police. She still would not move. At that point she was arrested. Then she resisted arrest and the video starts after she had been resisting arrest for who knows how long.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Authority figures? Police are public SERVANTS. WE are their authority figures. They only have authority over us if we break the law. This woman broke NO law. The police did this to her because she dared to tell them NO and gave them "attitude". Neither which are against the law. The only victims in this situation were the cops egos.

Or brother, these are the sorts of claims that a "Sovereign Citizen" would make. Guess what happens to them when they try this with cops. It does make for some good YouTube videos.