Police behavior

[Curious George]

Maybe a better way to go about it but they had a job to remove her from the premises.

And that is what I want to discuss.

 

[Valjean]

Yes, the police will hit you here if you make them angry, but overall, the police are not hellhound on making arrests... That's the difference. The jails are just too full and have been for decades. People only serve 50% of their time in LA because of it and the officers only make arrests when they pretty much have to.

In other parts of the country, it seems like it's really easy to get arrested. One time I was pulled over in Phoenix for no reason at all for example... The cop just felt like it. Other times, I was followed for miles. Here in California, the cops don't follow people. They have better things to do.

Take away the efficacy of arrest and the cops will undertake to punish you themselves.

She was breaking the law. The police were called in because she was breaking the law. Police get called in because there is a need to enforce the law. Police don't get to decide what the law is, they just enforce what is on the books. Maybe a better way to go about it but they had a job to remove her from the premises.

What law was she breaking? What harm was she doing?
Police need to consider their goal before rushing in with force. If a problem can be resolved with some minor adjustments, that's the tack they should take.

Police, in my experience, are more concerned with order and propriety than they are with law or civil rights, and nothing annoys them more than insubordination. Failure to show proper, deferential submission invites punishment.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Point is, anyone can make an assumption out of context. You had no more reason to assume to police were wrong as I had to make my assumption.

I'm not the one wishing death on people over stupid ****. I guess you wanted the baby to get shot, too. Use your brain.

 

[Curious George]

Take away the efficacy of arrest and the cops will undertake to punish you themselves.
What law was she breaking? What harm was she doing?
Police need to consider their goal before rushing in with force. If a problem can be resolved with some minor adjustments, that's the tack they should take.

Police, in my experience, are more concerned with order and propriety than they are with law or civil rights, and nothing annoys them more than insubordination. Fail to show proper, deferential submission invites punishment.

I think it is important to realize that not all cops are like this. Plenty of cops put up with a lot of disrespect and still handle themselves professionally.

 

[Shad]

Wow, we almost completely agree. I would only add that the officials at the agency should have tried to address the situation peacefully prior to dragging police into the situation.

That information was not provided nor have I searched. Unless you can provide that information we have no idea what was proposed or not before the video.

This is a little bit of an assumption on my part, I am not sure what steps they did take. Too often people jump to call the police and it is hard for me to imagine that this is not a situation like that.

You shouldn't make such an assumption. The mother does not seem like an innocent bystander. The child is as it is not capable of complying nor separating itself from the mother. At this time this is really the only issue unless new information is provided.

The sitting policy is something I need to look up. I think it is a major part of this case.

 

[Father Heathen]

Living in California and being raised in the midwest and living in Arizona for a while, I can tell you that there are different policing methods.

Here in California, police do not target low income areas, rather, they target high income areas -which is proper IMO, because it keeps the riffraff out. A d policing here is done with a light hand. For instance, there are hardly ever decoy traps like you find in other States where it's a 'hunt' to find the 'bad guy'.

Profiling and preemptive policing is an epidemic in parts of the South, midwest and East unlike it is in California.

What I hate is when cops create situations where they can arrest or fine people for revenue's sake.

 

[Father Heathen]

Probably wasn't even her kid. They should have just shot her...

I know you're capable of intelligent posts. Try harder.

 

[Curious George]

That information was not provided nor have I searched. Unless you can provide that information we have no idea what was proposed or not before the video.



You shouldn't make such an assumption. The mother does not seem like an innocent bystander. The child is as it is not capable of complying nor separating itself from the mother. At this time this is really the only issue unless new information is provided.

The sitting policy is something I need to look up. I think it is a major part of this case.

I am aware that mu assumption might be wrong. Perhaps the officials at the agency did try to resolve the situation. And, I have no idea how the woman treated them. But, the situation doesn't seem like one where the police needed to be involved. I would like to think that people are capable of resolving most disputes without resorting to calling the police or using violence. This seems like a perfect example.

 

[Cooky]

And that is what I want to discuss.

I don’t see why the police response had to be to remove her at all. The police could have just told the office staff to stop lording-over the woman.

...Why should it not have gone in that direction? Anyone?

 

[BSM1]

If you want to actually discuss the issue, I am happy to do so.

I think that the facts of the situation are that a citizen did nothing wrong and the police physically endangered that citizen with use of force in order to restrain another citizen that posed no apparent threat. What do you see?

But you have absolutely no way of knowing what led up to the confrontation; nor do you have anyway of knowing if the woman was a known felon with outstanding warrants.

 

[David1967]

What happened in the 15 minutes prior to this and why were the police called in the first place?

Good question. I refuse to pass judgment without knowing what happened leading up to the incident.

 

[Stanyon]

I am sure there was more to the story than she was just sitting on the floor, that is what I would like to know -the full story.
It has been said by more than a few black men that if some black women can't be famous, they want to be infamous.

 

[Curious George]

But you have absolutely no way of knowing what led up to the confrontation; nor do you have anyway of knowing if the woman was a known felon with outstanding warrants.

I don't need to know that. What set of facts justify this behavior?

 

[Curious George]

Good question. I refuse to pass judgment without knowing what happened leading up to the incident.

What set of facts would justify this behavior?

 

[David1967]

What set of facts would justify this behavior?

What are the facts?

 

[Curious George]

What are the facts?

A citizen that did nothing wrong was exposed to police force physically endangering him because the police needed to remove a woman from an agency office.

 

[Cooky]

I don’t see why the police response had to be to remove her at all. The police could have just told the office staff to stop lording-over the woman.

...Why should it not have gone in that direction? Anyone?

BUMP

 

[Curious George]

I don’t see why the police response had to be to remove her at all. The police could have just told the office staff to stop lording-over the woman.

...Why should it not have gone in that direction? Anyone?

It is hard for me to see the justification. But i do agree that if an organization wants someone to leave their premises then theu should be able to have that individual leave.

 

[Nakosis]

Police, in my experience, are more concerned with order and propriety than they are with law or civil rights, and nothing annoys them more than insubordination. Failure to show proper, deferential submission invites punishment.

Trespassing.

 

[Nakosis]

And that is what I want to discuss.

Well how much do we really know? I assume she was ask to leave and refused. They tried to escort her off the premises and she decided to struggle. They tried to ensure the safety of the child before forcibly removing her.

So how should they've gone about removing her from the premises?