Do you support gay marriage?

[Salvador]

The SCOTUS has also ruled that black people are 3/5ths of a person. And that aborting your child is a Constitutional right.
I am not so big on human authorities. I don't care who you are, if I disagree I disagree.
Tom

The SCOTUS counted slaves as 60 percent of a non-slave for purposes of congressional house seat apportionment, so then slavery would have been more likely abolished with non-slavery states holding more congressional power than states where slavery was legally practiced.

Hopefully, a more conservative SCOTUS will get Roe v Wade overturned, so then there will be a significant reduction in the needless or senseless killing of human life.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The SCOTUS counted slaves as 60 percent of a non-slave for purposes of congressional house seat apportionment, so then slavery would have been more likely abolished with non-slavery states holding more congressional power than states where slavery was legally practiced.

Hopefully, a more conservative SCOTUS will get Roe v Wade overturned, so then there will be a significant reduction in the needless or senseless killing of human life.

That was not the Supreme Court's decision. The 60% compromise was put in the Constitution by the founding fathers.

As to abortion it is highly doubtful that Roe vs. Wade will be overturned. On what basis do you think that they would do that? It appears that you wish for a radical Supreme Court and not a conservative one.

 

[Polymath257]

"Prior to Obergefell, same-sex marriage was legal to at least some degree in thirty-eight states, one territory (Guam) and the District of Columbia; of the states, Missouri, Kansas, and Alabama had restrictions."

In 2012, prior to United States v. Windsor, it was only legal in 12 states and Washington D.C..

Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

Prior to Obergefell vs Hodges, the state of Alabama banned the licensing of same-sex marriages and the recognition of such marriages from other jurisdictions by executive order of the Governor in 1996, by statute in 1998, and by constitutional amendment in June 2006.

Same-sex marriage in Alabama - Wikipedia

Maybe with a more conservative Supreme Court, soon each state could once again exercise its own state's right to allow/deny gay marriage within and from other jurisdictions.

What Alabama did was wrong from several points of view. States should recognize marriages from other states.

 

[Polymath257]

The SCOTUS counted slaves as 60 percent of a non-slave for purposes of congressional house seat apportionment, so then slavery would have been more likely abolished with non-slavery states holding more congressional power than states where slavery was legally practiced.

Except, of course, that new states coming in became an issue whether they were free or slave. That's sort of what lead to the Civil War.

Hopefully, a more conservative SCOTUS will get Roe v Wade overturned, so then there will be a significant reduction in the needless or senseless killing of human life.

Even if Roe v Wade was overturned, such would not happen. That is clear from the history before RvW. What will happen instead is that many women will be trapped into unwanted pregnancies and will often kill themselves trying to end them.

 

[Nous]

Gay and straight are just words.

Then those word are dispensable. We don't need them. What's the problem? In disposing of those words, the categories that define sexual orientation are disposed of.

Ima focus on attraction, because regardless who, is in-born.

What does this sentence mean? Define “attraction” and “in-born”. Cite the evidence by which to conclude that “attraction” is “in-born” (if that is what you mean).

If you want to argue for some essentialist hypothesis of sexual orientation, then you need to account for the evidence and facts by which people conclude that sexual orientation is a social construct--namely, (a) the fact that people in societies that didn't have words denoting sexual orientation did not behave in accordance with monosexual orientations (i.e., the well known examples of ancient Greece, ancient China, “primitive” cultures of Melanesia); and (b) the fact that people commonly change the sexual orientation category by which they identify.

 

[Nous]

I don't know of any "gay animals". Which animals are gay? What questions were they asked in order to determine that they are Kinsey 6s? Perhaps the animals' answers were the product of bisexual erasure in their societies.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia - and there are many many videos of such behavior as well,

Does that article ever claim that any animal is “gay” or has an essential sexual orientation? If so, what is the basis for such a claim?

I am well aware of the same-sex sexual activity that a variety of animals engage in. Such activity is evidence contrary to the idea of essentialist sexual orientations.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Then those word are dispensable. We don't need them. What's the problem? In disposing of those words, the categories that define sexual orientation are disposed of.


What does this sentence mean? Define “attraction” and “in-born”. Cite the evidence by which to conclude that “attraction” is “in-born” (if that is what you mean).

If you want to argue for some essentialist hypothesis of sexual orientation, then you need to account for the evidence and facts by which people conclude that sexual orientation is a social construct--namely, (a) the fact that people in societies that didn't have words denoting sexual orientation did not behave in accordance with monosexual orientations (i.e., the well known examples of ancient Greece, ancient China, “primitive” cultures of Melanesia); and (b) the fact that people commonly change the sexual orientation category by which they identify.

I have to come back. I see it simple

1. We're not defined by labels.
2. Physical attraction is part of human biology. To whom that that attraction is oriented (unless the attraction is dormant) is natural too.

I don't know how ones sex determines whats biological and what's a social construct. Normality depends on culture. Biology does not.

 

[sun rise]

Does that article ever claim that any animal is “gay” or has an essential sexual orientation? If so, what is the basis for such a claim?

I am well aware of the same-sex sexual activity that a variety of animals engage in. Such activity is evidence contrary to the idea of essentialist sexual orientations.

I don't know what you mean by "essential"/"essentialist". Some animals prefer same-sex activity by their nature. Clearly there's a genetic basis for this activity. So it's an intrinsic part of their biology.

 

[Nous]

I don't know what you mean by "essential"/"essentialist".

The essentialist position on sexual orientation is that a sexual orientation is a biological or immutable trait.

Some animals prefer same-sex activity by their nature.

Cite that evidence. I've never seen any study that concluded that "some animals prefer same-sex activity".

Clearly there's a genetic basis for this activity.

Cite that evidence.

 

[Nous]

I have to come back. I see it simple

1. We're not defined by labels.
2. Physical attraction is part of human biology. To whom that that attraction is oriented (unless the attraction is dormant) is natural too.

I don't know how ones sex determines whats biological and what's a social construct. Normality depends on culture. Biology does not.

So you're not able to define any of your terms or cite any evidence to support your claims?

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't care whether being gay is immutable or chosen.
There's no good reason to oppose gay marriage.

 

[Salvador]

But probably not the black/white relationship that produced me, right, Mr. I'm Totally Not Racist?

Black/white interracial marriages often end up very badly; their divorce race is twice that of white/white or white/Asian race marriages.

Interracial marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Revoltingest]

Black/white interracial marriages often end up very badly; their divorce race is twice that of white/white or white/Asian race marriages.

Interracial marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

In Revoltistan, inter-racial marriages are the most stable.
(Of course, Mrs Revolt & I skew that statistic by having
our 40th anniversary coming up next year.)
Nonetheless, we don't ban same-race marriages.
It's about basic rights for all...not equality of outcome.

 

[Salvador]

What Alabama did was wrong from several points of view. States should recognize marriages from other states.

I respectfully disagree. Imo, states should exercise their state's right with defining marriage and constituting what is a legal marriage within their own legal jurisdictions.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Black/white interracial marriages often end up very badly; their divorce race is twice that of white/white or white/Asian race marriages.

Interracial marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

That doesn't show twice as likely. 1 to 1.6 =/= twice as likely.
It does, however, show that White/White are much more likely to get divorced than Asian/Asian. So I guess that means there's something wrong with white culture directly related to their whiteness, right? Those pesky Western civilizations.

 

[Salvador]

That was not the Supreme Court's decision. The 60% compromise was put in the Constitution by the founding fathers.

As to abortion it is highly doubtful that Roe vs. Wade will be overturned. On what basis do you think that they would do that? It appears that you wish for a radical Supreme Court and not a conservative one.

Imo, a majority of conservative justices on the SCOTUS will respect the sanctity of human life, and thus, put an end to the legality of abortion on demand from Roe v Wade. Unborn fetuses are a valuable resource in society where their destruction should be criminalized.

 

[Salvador]

That doesn't show twice as likely. 1 to 1.6 =/= twice as likely.
It does, however, show that White/White are much more likely to get divorced than Asian/Asian. So I guess that means there's something wrong with white culture directly related to their whiteness, right? Those pesky Western civilizations.

It shows Asians #1 Whites #2 Hispanics #3 Blacks last at #4 ....Right? Before settling with my beautiful Anglo Saxon better half...I dated a very pretty Asian lady....Which proves I'm well cultured and hardly racist.

 

[Polymath257]

I respectfully disagree. Imo, states should exercise their state's right with defining marriage and constituting what is a legal marriage within their own legal jurisdictions.

And if a couple moves from one state to another? Should the valid marriage in the first state be legal in the second?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It shows Asians #1 Whites #2 Hispanics #3 Blacks last at #4 ....Right? Before settling with my beautiful Anglo Saxon better half...I dated a very pretty Asian lady....Which proves I'm well cultured and hardly racist.

Dating someone from another race doesn't somehow make you no longer capable of being racist. Actually it shows that the least likely to get divorced were Asians, Hispanics, White, Blacks, in that order.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Imo, a majority of conservative justices on the SCOTUS will respect the sanctity of human life, and thus, put an end to the legality of abortion on demand from Roe v Wade. Unborn fetuses are a valuable resource in society where their destruction should be criminalized.

You would need to prove that they are "human" in the same sense that you and I are human. What standard would you use?