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Do you support gay marriage?
- Thread starter Woberts
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There's no reason straights should have all the misery.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I support any person to marry another person. Gender and sex has nothing to do with marital vows and life long friendship. No unions. Full marriage.
I'm against marriage as a legal status. Marriage is mostly a religious ceremony. The legal aspect is really a means of providing support for children IMO. Legally this should be an automatic requirement between adults who have kids.
No kids, no legal need for marriage is there?
Same sex couples who want to adopt kids should have the same legal requirement marriage or not.
Nothing stopping people from having a religious ceremony, that's between them and their belief. I just don't think a religious ceremony should have legal standing.
what love has joined together, let no man put asunder. to deny two psychologically mature people the right to enter into a union goes against god, against love.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I used to oppose it. I grew up in a different era. But when I examined my position logically and dispassionately I saw my old beliefs fall apart. When it came to a vote in my state before the Supreme Court decision I voted to make it legal. Now I can clearly understand that it should not even be called "Gay marriage", instead it should be called "Marriage Equality". All people have the right to marry the one that they love.
I DO NOT support "gay marriage". It is a delusion. Sexual orientation is a social construct. That is one thing my husband and I agree on.
This is not at all how marriage works in the US. It's mostly a function of state, how they are taxed as a unit, treated in court as a unit, appear as a unit before insurers, citizen rights, access to state welfare as a unit, etc etc.
Less than half the rights described have anything to do with kids, incidentally. Certainly not why my husband and I got married.
The religious aspect is already entirely accessory and voluntary and carries no legal weight.
What about hospital visitation, and other rights of next-of-kin?
I do not feel strongly about this issue.
I find that very surprising (based on my impressions from reading your posts here).
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Edit.
Gay issues, sex, and gender aside. Sexual orientation is a social construct? Attraction is a social construct?
Not what, penis or genitals. Not who, male or female, just attraction itself???
I'm not a doctor, but this threw me off.
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I clicked yes even though I wouldn't call myself a supporter. I don't think it's any of my business what others do as long as they are not causing harm. If gay or straight people want to get married it doesn't impact me at all so good luck to them and I hope they have a happy life.
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I don't support it or reject it really, but the reasons people get married are children -- I fail to see the point, lol. Despite the arguments in favor, rarely do gay people get married in my personal experience. It's basically a hook-up lifestyle and because of that rarely do relations ever last longer than months to a year. Rarely are they monogamous either, though I am sure some are.
About the only sticker I'm not down with is that they cannot put their partner on their insurance without "civil unions", etc. I think it's more a probably with our insurance system in that it should work for households, not this relationship. It's rather easily fixed. I think this affects married people as well, so it'd be useful either way, lol.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I've never been against it or understood people's resistance to this novel idea of human decency. Most of the rationale against gay marriage simply doesn't hold water. Why does marriage have to be about popping out babies? Why can't it just be about two human animals who care deeply for each other? Isn't that enough?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Those are some rather presumptuous (and thus worthless) assertions.
Right, it's not how marriage is treated in the US, and elsewhere, and that's the problem.
I understand you get benefits from the legal status of marriage but are these benefits necessary and if necessary could they not be obtained by some other means?
Yes, they are necessary. No, creating a separate but equal way to access these same benefits for a secondary group would be unconstitutional. Why eliminate what we have: an efficient cost effective way of getting family units all the necessary legal framework in one contract?
Inheritance, right of survivor-ship, medical and financial decisions, the constitutional right to not be a witness against your spouse in civil or criminal cases, to mention only a few. There are over 1,000 rights the marriage certificate provides.