Christians can you be certain your bible is trust worthy?

[metis]

All scriptures in all religions are subjective in nature, and the minute we accept that is when we sorta start our own "enlightenment".

 

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

Christianity derive from Judaism. Islam derive from Christianity and Judaism. These 3 religion got the same god and is the only 3 religion that believe there is only one god. The 3 religions believe its god is one and only true god and believe their god is always right and all other gods are lying evil demonic false gods pretending to be god AKA Satan. However, what if there is a plot twist and those other gods are the real gods and the god of Christianity, Islam and Judaism Yahweh, is actually the one that is truly a lying evil demonic false god pretending to be god? This is especially considering the bible got many disturbing teachings which is why we need the Protestant Reformation and even after that there are still many problem, due to not been able to change the bible itself (it is no wonder the Mormons threw the bible out and write up a new book of Mormon.

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The Bible (Both Hebrew Text and Greek Text) is the only Source that Contains The True God Yahweh as the creator in accurate and proper context. The Koran Teachings doesn't Line Up with Bible Teachings at all and Conterdict the Bibles Teachings. Jews dont Except Christ When the Hebrew Scriptures Contain A plethora of Prophecy That Perdict the Massiah in great detail, detail that matches perfectly with Jesus of Nazareth according to the Gospels. So that Eliminates Islam and Judaism. Now were left with The Bible and False gods. (FYI I'm Giving surface level breakdowns I can go much deeper on why Islam is False and does not teach about the True God Yahweh and Judaism is incomplete) No Text of false gods have survived the text of time with there prophetic accuracy historical accuracy and scientific accuracy. Unlike the bible who Accuracy is Undeniably in Context. (Again A Surface level answer that can certain be dove into deeper then what I am stating)

 

[exchemist]

The Bible (Both Hebrew Text and Greek Text) is the only Source that Contains The True God Yahweh as the creator in accurate and proper context. The Koran Teachings doesn't [sic] Line Up with Bible Teachings at all and Conterdict the Bibles [sic] Teachings. Jews dont Except [sic] Christ When the Hebrew Scriptures Contain A plethora of Prophecy That Perdict [sic] the Massiah [sic] in great detail, detail that matches perfectly with Jesus of Nazareth according to the Gospels. So that Eliminates Islam and Judaism. Now were [sic] left with The Bible and False gods. (FYI I'm Giving surface level breakdowns I can go much deeper on why Islam is False and does not teach about the True God Yahweh and Judaism is incomplete) No Text of false gods have survived the text of time [sic] with there [sic] prophetic accuracy historical accuracy and scientific accuracy. Unlike the bible who Accuracy is Undeniably in Context [eh what?]. (Again A Surface level answer that can certain be dove into deeper then what I am stating)

I think "the text of time" says it all. For goodness sake, check spelling and grammar.

 

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

I think "the text of time" says it all. For goodness sake, check spelling and grammar.

Jersey School system have failed lol I'm definitely a better speaker then writter I'm admit

 

[exchemist]

Jersey School system have failed lol I'm definitely a better speaker then writter I'm admit

OK fair enough, I just couldn't resist the open goal!

 

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

OK fair enough, I just couldn't resist the open goal!

lol i respect the criticism maybe my time on this forum site will be good practice to becoming a better writer. can I ask a question?

 

[exchemist]

lol i respect the criticism maybe my time on this forum site will be good practice to becoming a better writer. can I ask a question?

Sure, why not?

 

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

Sure, why not?

forgive my ignorance please but what does [sic] mean

 

[exchemist]

forgive my ignorance please but what does [sic] mean

It's Latin for "so" or "thus".

Its use in brackets in a quoted passage is to indicate this is really how the original quotation was, i.e. not an error introduced while copying it. As a result it often appears where someone is quoting a passage that looks misconstructed in some way.

 

[LiveByFaithNotSight]

It's Latin for "so" or "thus".

Its use in brackets in a quoted passage is to indicate this is really how the original quotation was, i.e. not an error introduced while copying it. As a result it often appears where someone is quoting a passage that looks misconstructed in some way.

thank you I really appreciate that

 

[BilliardsBall]

Christianity derive from Judaism. Islam derive from Christianity and Judaism. These 3 religion got the same god and is the only 3 religion that believe there is only one god. The 3 religions believe its god is one and only true god and believe their god is always right and all other gods are lying evil demonic false gods pretending to be god AKA Satan. However, what if there is a plot twist and those other gods are the real gods and the god of Christianity, Islam and Judaism Yahweh, is actually the one that is truly a lying evil demonic false god pretending to be god? This is especially considering the bible got many disturbing teachings which is why we need the Protestant Reformation and even after that there are still many problem, due to not been able to change the bible itself (it is no wonder the Mormons threw the bible out and write up a new book of Mormon.

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Maybe instead of telling Muslims, Christians and Jews they're all wrong, you can ask why we think our religion is truth? Then you can learn?

 

[exchemist]

Maybe instead of telling Muslims, Christians and Jews they're all wrong, you can ask why we think our religion is truth? Then you can learn?

This is rather the sort of thing I was asking in my rather abortive dialogue with Object of Mercy from post 49 onward. (Though to be accurate I was really asking why he or she thinks Christianity is only religion in which truth can be found - something I am sceptical about.)

What is your view?

 

[Katzpur]

Seeing Mormon's, Which are known as
(Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saint's)
Went about to change the bible,
By rewriting the bible.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not rewrite the Bible. We use the KJV.

Could it be why Mormon's are having so many problems with diseases?

"A polygamous, Mormon community in Utah is facing what has been labelled a “genetic disaster”.

"Children born into the remote Utah community of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) are a million times more likely than the average person to develop a rare, debilitating genetic disorder, the BBC reports"

"Doctors claim they have discovered 20 cases of the disorder – which can cause seizures, facial deformities, and severe brain damage – in the Utah FLDS community. Previously, they knew of just 13 cases in the world.)

You know God did give forewarning in the book of Revelation 22:18-19

18--"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

19--"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"

This Prophecy being fulfilled.

You apparently are unaware that there are two different churches with very similar names, but with very different doctrines. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has categorically banned polygamy for over 125 years. Its members, by the way, are among the healthiest people in the country. The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the group which practices polygamy and which there are so many "genetic disasters." They are, once again, two entirely different churches, two entirely separate groups of people.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Such as?

Are you unaware of where science contradicts the Christian Bible? Here's a place to start :

Biblical scientific errors - RationalWiki

Do you think that creating man sinful despite abhorring sin, regretting that choice, exterminating most of mankind as well as most of the rest of terrestrial life in a global flood, and then repopulating the earth using the same breeding stock wasn't a colossal error?

Who did that? No one I know.

It's from a story in Genesis about a Great Flood.

People from other faiths could make just the same sorts of claims for their own religion, with equal eloquence. Why should any impartial person believe you rather than them?

You never got an answer, did you? But that would be the answer - he has no reason he should be believed.

Maybe instead of telling Muslims, Christians and Jews they're all wrong, you can ask why we think our religion is truth? Then you can learn?

That didn't work out too well for exchemist.

You say that confessing the truth is not a persuasive argument, but God says otherwise. He says the preaching of the gospel is the means He uses to enlighten the minds of them that believe not, to make them to understand.

If preaching scripture were persuasive, why are so many people still unpersuaded? We've all heard and read reams of scripture. I'm a former Christian that read the Bible cover to cover three times and attended relatively rigorous didactic sessions on selected books such as Hebrews and Acts. In the end, I was persuaded that the religion was false, and so returned to atheism and secular humanism, which has served me well.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

All scriptures in all religions are subjective in nature

I'm not sure precisely what you mean. Perhaps you mean that the language of scripture is vague and subject to personal interpretation. If so, how useful is that?

I don't know what honor thy father and mother means. Honor could mean to speak well of them, toast them at parties, give them an award - perhaps at a banquet thrown in their honor, or maybe just obey them. If it's obedience that's being commanded, why not use that language? And if it is obedience that is being called for, why isn't it qualified obedience. Certainly one should not obey some parents and their parental commands. Does the Bible command us to go out and rob, kill, or deal drugs if a parent orders us to? That's up to each individual to decide. Some will say yes, some no. What can one do with such an idea? Vague language simply isn't useful.

When I read scripture, I find mostly poetry with no clear meaning, poetry that no two readers read the same way. The words mean what the reader wants it to mean, meaning that the words are functioning as a verbal Rorschach test onto which the reader projects himself.

And of course this fact undermines any claim of there being a proper understanding of what scripture says. Perhaps this is what you mean by subjective.

I'm looking for clear language and useful ideas in any resource, especially one purporting to tell others how to live.

Jews dont Except Christ When the Hebrew Scriptures Contain A plethora of Prophecy That Perdict the Massiah in great detail, detail that matches perfectly with Jesus of Nazareth according to the Gospels.

So you read scripture and see a perfect match between Old Testament messianic prophecy and Jesus? I don't. I see that Jesus cannot possibly be the Hebrews' messiah. nPeace reads scripture and finds no contradictions anywhere, calling claims to the contrary opinion and air. From the outside, we call that a confirmation bias - seeing what one wants to see or expects to see rather than what is there.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not rewrite the Bible. We use the KJV.

You apparently are unaware that there are two different churches with very similar names, but with very different doctrines. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has categorically banned polygamy for over 125 years. Its members, by the way, are among the healthiest people in the country. The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the group which practices polygamy and which there are so many "genetic disasters." They are, once again, two entirely different churches, two entirely separate groups of people.

Let's see, you do claim Joseph Smith as your Prophet of your Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.right.

Now seeing Joseph Smith died at
Carthage Illinois on June 27, 1844.

In the book of Luke 13:33--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"

Here we find Christ Jesus saying that no Prophet shall perish outside of Jerusalem.

Seeing that Joseph Smith died at Carthage Illinois, that's a long ways from Jerusalem
don't you think.
From what Christ Jesus is saying, that makes Joseph Smith a false Prophet.

Here again in Luke 13:34--"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not"

Here again we find Christ Jesus stating that all the Prophets were sent to Jerusalem and dieing at Jerusalem.
So how is it that Joseph Smith dieing at Carthage Illinois and not at Jerusalem.
Christ Jesus proves again that Joseph Smith is a false Prophet.

But I know your going to have a problem with what Christ Jesus pointing out Joseph Smith a false Prophet.

I know I've brought this to the attention to many of Mormon's, and they get all up set, disputing what Christ Jesus is pointing out.

How is it that Mormon's claim Joseph Smith as a Prophet, but Christ Jesus clearly shows Joseph Smith a false Prophet.
For all the Prophet's were sent to Jerusalem died at Jerusalem.

 

[exchemist]

Let's see, you do claim Joseph Smith as your Prophet of your Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.right.

Now seeing Joseph Smith died at
Carthage Illinois on June 27, 1844.

In the book of Luke 13:33--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"

Now that's amazing, here we find Christ Jesus saying that no Prophet shall perish outside of Jerusalem.

Seeing that Joseph Smith died at Carthage Illinois, that's a long ways from Jerusalem
don't you think.
From what Christ Jesus is saying, that makes Joseph Smith a false Prophet.

Here again in Luke 13:34--"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not"

Here again we find Christ Jesus stating that all the Prophets were sent to Jerusalem and dieing at Jerusalem.
So how is it that Joseph Smith dieing at Carthage Illinois and not at Jerusalem.
Christ Jesus proves again that Joseph Smith is a false Prophet.

But I know your going to have a problem with what Christ Jesus pointing out Joseph Smith a false Prophet.

How is it that Mormon's claim Joseph Smith as a Prophet, but Christ Jesus clearly shows Joseph Smith a false Prophet.
For all the Prophet's were sent to Jerusalem died at Jerusalem.

Presumably that would mean you don't classify Moses as a prophet, then. Do you really mean this?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Presumably that would mean you don't classify Moses as a prophet, then. Do you really mean this?

Jerusalem wasn't even around at the time of Moses, until about 1000 years later. At the time of king David.

 

[exchemist]

Jerusalem wasn't even around at the time of Moses, until about 1000 years later. At the time of king David.

Right.

So the passage you quote cannot be applied to every case, clearly.

 

[Katzpur]

Let's see, you do claim Joseph Smith as your Prophet of your Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.right.

Now seeing Joseph Smith died at
Carthage Illinois on June 27, 1844.

In the book of Luke 13:33--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"

Here we find Christ Jesus saying that no Prophet shall perish outside of Jerusalem.

Seeing that Joseph Smith died at Carthage Illinois, that's a long ways from Jerusalem
don't you think.
From what Christ Jesus is saying, that makes Joseph Smith a false Prophet.

Here again in Luke 13:34--"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not"

Here again we find Christ Jesus stating that all the Prophets were sent to Jerusalem and dieing at Jerusalem.
So how is it that Joseph Smith dieing at Carthage Illinois and not at Jerusalem.
Christ Jesus proves again that Joseph Smith is a false Prophet.

But I know your going to have a problem with what Christ Jesus pointing out Joseph Smith a false Prophet.

I know I've brought this to the attention to many of Mormon's, and they get all up set, disputing what Christ Jesus is pointing out.

How is it that Mormon's claim Joseph Smith as a Prophet, but Christ Jesus clearly shows Joseph Smith a false Prophet.
For all the Prophet's were sent to Jerusalem died at Jerusalem.

Sorry, but you really don't understand what the Bible was saying. Anybody who reads your post will tell you the same thing. As a matter of fact, I can remember your having a similar conversation with several different people a few months ago. They all told you the same thing, and you didn't pay any attention to them. Why should I repeat what they said, only to have you ignore me, too?